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The fact that some Jewish companies make the candies and snack wrappers full of words, everywhere, really puzzles me. The wrappers don’t have a special place to tear, and no matter how hard I’ve tried, I always accidently rip the words. Maybe I’m just terrible at opening wrappers, but I find it alot easier to open wrappers from the non-Jewish companies.
How does the owners open them? do they not get negative feedback on this issue?
Again maybe it’s just me. Please let me know.
You can open them before Shabbos and place them in a Ziploc bag for freshness or just avoid them for one day a week altogether and avoid the entire issue
There’s a special place in gehenom for that.
They do it so that you do not overeat candies on shabbos and then spend years paying for implants and monitoring glucose. Tzadikim.
And shuls give it to kids on Simchas Torah
The real story behind this is that this is one massive plot by the Mfg. and the research community to see level of self control the kids have not open the candies on shabbos
What exactly makes them heimish? Do you personally know the owners’ lifestyles?
What about all the heimish papers that they know most of the readership will read on shabbos but shouldn’t read advertisements or business strategies on Shabbos.
It should be noted that according to many Poskim there is no problem with opening such wrappers on Shabbos. Rav Moshe Feinstein explicitly permitted people to open sugar packets on Shabbos even though this entailed ripping through letters and words.
Nevertheless, common practice is to refrain from this activity. The fact that Frum-owned companies are not sensitive to this issue has been a pet peeve of mine for many years.
Presumably they rely on the Dagul Mervava who argues on the Rema 340:3 and says it is muttar.
He concludes המחמיר יחמיר לעצמו ולא לאחרים. So even if the manufacturers themselves are machmir like the Rema, that is for their candies not yours
The question is, if the halacha at the end of the siman (314,14) applies that only if destruction is kept in mind is mekalkel otherwise it might be considered tearing as one does not care about the letters.
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I assume you mean 340:14
Though I dont think has nothing to do with letters. That is korea tearing the wrapper would be the problem.
Though IT isnt a problem as the MB there explains, it still requires some toeles which most people when they tear wrappers do not have in mind.ubi, isn’t there a toeles to get to the candy which they have in mind?
The go-to shabbos poskim, like shmiras shabbos kehilchasa, rabbi ribiat, rabbi simcha bunim cohen, etc…all say that you can’t tear letters, even though it’s mekalkel. Can anyone bring a source about rav moshe’s alleged heter? I haven’t seen it, and i think it would have been more commonly quoted if it were true.
Rav ovadia yosef holds it’s muttar entirely, and i know many sefardim who rely on this. For ashkenazim, I don’t know of any poskim who explicitly allow it.
ubi, if the tearing is for a toeles to get to the candy is not a destruction, then the erasure of letters might also be a problem.
vut removing the letters wouldnt help
There are 2 seperate melachos
Koreah/tearing
Mechika/erasingKoreah has nothing to do with letters. Removing letters wouldnt remove koreah. If Koreah is a problem that is regardlesss of whther letters are present or not.
(As always correct me if I’m wrong)The OP’s puzzlement is over the words that are torn. “full of words, everywhere,” this has nothing to do with koreah
“The go-to shabbos poskim, like shemiras shabbos kehilchasa, rabbi ribiat, rabbi simcha bunim ohen”
ITs a bit odd to dismiss the Nodeh Beyehudah (brought in MB) becasue the “go-to shabbos poskim” dont bring it though some do in footnotes, I havent checked which) . And it isn’t just mekalkel it is also psik reisha dlo nicha lei on a d’Rabanan.
Though without question the general minhag is to be machmir And I am not saying to change that.I agree with the OP It is weird that hemishe companies don;t make it easier. (my last line in first comment was meant tongue in cheek)
I said that if one is mekalkel, neither should be a problem otherwise in the OP case, both should be a problem.
Koreah is mutar for food purposes, as it has nothing to do with the melacha (namely, for sewing)
Cutting things like toilet paper isn’t koreah, but rather mechatech, a different problem when you want a certain amount of something. Tearing packages is not a problem of mechatech.
I have to look up the No”b you quoted; I’m not familiar with it
Reb e, i don’t think being mechaven for the tearing for a toeles means you’re mechaven for a toeles in the erasing
Avira, if you are mechaven for a toeles in tearing would it not be a pesik raishe in erasing?
“I have to look up the No”b you quoted; I’m not familiar with it”
Its a dagul mervava on siman 340
There it is discussing letters on food itself (which arguably is worse)
The MB brings itThe Sharei Tsehuva also quotes it but there could be a difference between the OP and RMA there as the OP is not food so it becomes similar to 340,14.
Oh that discussion….about eating food that has letters; very big difference – there the letters are connected to the food itself, so it’s derech achilah (still didn’t look up the DG”M, don’t know if he says this or another sevara)
It’s worth noting that the Maharsham has a teshuva permitting smoking a cigarette on Yom tov even when there’s writing which will be erased through the burning
He basically says like the dagul mervava but is slightly more lenient.
He says that erasing when it’s not possible to write us even better than mochek sh’lo al mnas lechtov.There are poskim- Dayan Fisher ‘even yisrael’ among them- who use this as a reason to be lenient regarding ripping through letters on wrappers on Shabbos.
I saw the sources inside years ago when we learned these sugyos; I’ll try and get the exact sources to post.
And obviously everyone should consult their posek.But it’s worth raising this as an additional relevant source.
“still didn’t look up the DG”M, don’t know if he says this or another sevara”
main reason is its a psik resihe on a D’rabanon especially since its K’lachar yad and mikalkel
Putting the actual psak Halacha aside for a moment, most companies are making products more convenient and user friendly, if for what ever reason people would be more comfortable not tearing letters, would it be such a big deal to redesign the label? Random products that have no reason to have gluten in it, will have large print proclaiming it to be gluten free,so why not from a business standpoint start advertising “mehudar candy wrappers no Chashash of chillul shabbos, endorsed by all the gedolom”
Chachamim aren’t tools for marketing. And the fact is that there is hardly such a thing as a heimish company. Companies aren’t individuals
Besides, there is no mitzva to financially benefit a heimish Jew over any other Jew who is shower Torah umitzvos. Perhaps we should seek to benefit talmidei chachamim, but they are rarely the ones to head big enterprises
> there is no mitzva to financially benefit a heimish Jew over any other Jew who is shower Torah umitzvos.
Your local community has priority in tzedoka. So, if you feel someone is closer to you, you should patronize him, I think.
“One should avoid tearing or breaking a letter while tearing open a package do to the violation of the melachah of mocheik, erasing, according to one view in the poskim. Where it is impossible to access the food otherwise, one way rely on a lenient view and tear letters while opening a package. This should preferably be done in an irregular manner, for example, with the left hand”. From the safer “Halachos of Opening Packages on Shabbos”, Chapter 6. [By Rabbi Menachem M. Abramson]. He discusses the dagul meravava and others in the footnotes.
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