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Our sons, ages 21 & 22, IY”H, will be returning to yeshiva in Lakewood for Elul z’man. What is going on with covid precautions in general in Lakewood? We are in Virginia and as far as we know, our sons have not had covid. They came home to Virginia when Lakewood shut down after Purim. Any advice before they go back to Lakewood? Thanks!!
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The almost exclusive belief in Lakewood is that Covid is in the past, and there are basically no precautions actually being done in Shuls and Batie Medrashim. Some stores have a sign saying masks required, but that is rarely followed, and only done to comply with law.
Daven to Hashem for their health and Hatzlacha in learning and keep them in mind in your tefillos every day you daven to Hashem.
BMG is fully reopened to normal boruch Hashem with anyone invited to put on a mask if they wish to for their safety.
The dorms have not all re opened.
They sufferred early and continued precautions for months until things seemed to cool down. Those at risk continue to be cautious, but the others have put much of it behind them, just as we too will when we have moved as far forward on our own timelines.
Although people are out and seemingly carefree, to judgemental onlookers, many have been deprived of hugs from their grandparents for more than half a year as they really are well aware of which precautions are still necessary. I don’t know if they’re right or wrong, but it needs to stop being presented as negligence.
We must be careful not to fall into the timeline trap while using our binoculars. It is analogous to making a phone call at noon on tisha bav to a friend in israel and being appalled that they are eating when you know the fast is still far from over.
Is it possible that BMG would accept tens of thousands of dollars allotted to colleges to implement Covid safety protocols and not actually have any precautions in place?
If your kids have been in Northern Virginia/D.C. suburbs for the past several months, than they will find a considerably lower level of caution being exercised in Lakewood than at home. If you are from the Virginia Beach/Newport News area, probably the same level of masks, social distancing etc. In any event, hopefully they will stay safe and well and yuse good judgement no matter what others may be doing.
Does Virginia count as “the South” these days?
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וישבותAre back to normal
Most are
Restaurants are not.
The question to ask the Honhola of BMG is: “where are my sons going to eat? ”
Try that, and see what they say.Instead of people knocking Lakewood for negligence they may want to look at it as a test case. If thousands of people have been living life as if before COVID-19 for 2-3 months and there is no significant uptick in cases, perhaps the concept of herd immunity has something to it. Maybe the lesson os that high-risk people should continue to take precautions but the rest do not need to. I an’t no doctor but at what point would someone analyzing the case study of Lakewood say “they are goning to all get again very soon” vs. “if they did not get it until now….”
Dear True,
The food is served outside. The yeshivaliet can eat wherever they choose. (This is second hand information).CT Rebbe:
Test case? Human Guinea Pigs? Comparing the holy ראאשי ישיבה to Mengele חס ושלום? Or suggesting that their דעת תורה knew exactly how many would die in Lakewood already last ראש השנה, and knew it was their time?
Dear Ctr,
Herd immunity after a seven week lockdown is meaningless. It is a good indicator of the effective method used in the northeast. I’m not saying it was worth it, but it works.
PS Lakewood can have larger gatherings than the rest of NJ, because it is mostly the same people in the same place everyday. There is still very little eating out. And no big indoor parties etc.
Dear Nomesorah,
Thanks for the info. Hopefully, the OP will check the food situation since apparently it has changed since March.
More important is to understand the detailed protocols BMG will follow if one of the bochurim shows signs of infection. Do they have rapid test capability? Are there daily temperature checks? Have they set aside one of the dorms for quarantining out of town yungerleit who test positive? These are the questions I would want to understand.
Hope you son stays safe and healthyPlease be aware that anyone traveling to Lakewood from Virginia will be legally required to quarantine for two weeks upon arrival.
ymribiat:
How dare you mention Mengele yimach shemo in this conversation. Think before you write, and never ever compare a comment you disagree with to Nazi behavior. In Israel you could be sued for what you wrote.
rational:
Context.
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Dear Gadol,
If a student in BMG develops symptoms, he is old enough to seek medical help on his own. [BTW- There is some setup for ill bochurim. There always has been.] Rapid testing can be done at Friendly Urgent Care. Quarantining in a dorm would not work. There are better questions to ask.
Thank you moderator for editing. I understand context. The use is unacceptable, no exceptions. Read some history books on it, maybe you’ll be convinced.
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