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with November elections fast approaching I’m wondering why a jew that supports Israel would vote democrat
just look at their news sites
on Fox News, their reports and comments on their site are generally Pro-Israel
on CNN their reports and comments are generally Pro-palestinean
isn’t a vote for democrats usually a vote for less aid or more freezes or more concessions on Israel’s part
Think of George W. Bush’s and Ronal Reagan’s (the Republicans) strong support for Israel, compared to that of Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter (the Democrats.)
Bill Clinton was much more pro-Israel than GHW Bush.
Bill Clinton was much more pro-Israel than Bob Dole.
Left-leaning Chuck Schumer is extremely pro-Israel.
Conservative Pat Buchanan? Ugh.
Bottom line – know the candidate’s positions and don’t make any assumptions.
[ putting on flameproof suit ]
FWIW, I always vote based on the candidate and not based on the party.
The Wolf
Hey you haven’t been here in awhile, welcome back. Where were you- hibernating?
Wolves don’t hibernate.
The Wolf
Welcome back anyway. I’m glad you let it go because the CR is a better place with you around.
The bottom line is – you gotta think. You gotta read what the candidates say, and check the record about what the candidates have done. And be careful where you get your information. Fox you know already will be Republican. The New York Times will be Democrat. The Washington Times is owned by the Unification Church (i.e., the Moonies) and they’re definitely not left wing 🙂 So be careful and don’t just follow your prejudices. Don’t be anyone’s patsy.
You gotta do your homework, you gotta weigh the options, and you gotta make your own judgment. Don’t let other people tell you what to think – not your spouse, not your co-workers, not the nudnick who sits next to you in shul.
This is a democracy, and it’s up to us to make it work.
(1) There are issues besides Israel; Democrats tend to be much better on economic issues that concern the community.
(2) Obama’s policies towards Israel are pretty much the same as GWB. If you don’t believe me, read the “Road Map” of the latter where he uses the term “End the Occupation” and endorses the Saudi peace plan that includes the 1967 borders. It also included a settlement freeze! Most Republican apologists have not read the Road Map. The major difference between Obama’s and GWB’s policies are that US-Israel military cooperation is now at its highest level in history.
(3) Most Democrats and Republicans in Congress are pro-Israel; there are few on each side of the aisle who aren’t.
(4) The number of really crazy nutty Republicans running this year greatly outnumbers the really crazy nutty Democrats.
charlie, its one thing for you to be an admitted democrat apologist. but at least be truthful about it.
while anti-semites are thrown out of the republican party (duke, buchanan), the democrats welcome anti-semites with open arms (al sharpton, jesse jackson, cynthia mckiney, etc.)
So right – you haven’t been paying attention. There’s a Republican candidate in Ohio right now who’s being criticized because he wears Nazi uniforms doing WWII re-enactments. A lot of the right-wing Evangelical types really believe that we’re going to burn in Hell forever because we don’t accept J-. And they aren’t shy about telling you to your face either.
Both parties have their share of anti-Semitic types. Yelling “anti-Semite” is a great shortcut to avoid having to think. And we all know thinking is hard work. Drop by your local library and look up George Bush’s stand in the newspaper archives. It’s also true that being openly anti-Israel is not good for your electoral chances. As to economic issues, read up on the issues and make up your own mind. Think for yourself. It’s not easy, but it’s a good feeling in the end.
Israel aside, the orthodox community has so much more in common with the conservatives. There is almost nothing we agree on with the liberals. Besides morality issues, the Torah view doesn’t support socialism (remember, Tzedaka isn’t tax – it’s charity) and liberalism. There are many Gemarahs that state that tax must be fair and equal (and may be excluded from the Din of Dina Dmalchusa if it isn’t). Liberalism as a whole is against the Torah’s view of life and government. Of course there may be some Democrats that have more conservative views than their Republican counterparts, however that usually isn’t the case. Regarding Israel, evangelical christians are usually more supportive and foreign policy hawks will stand up for justice and won’t just look at who the oppressor is etc. While there may be an exception to the rule, conservatives will generally back Israel while liberals tend to sympathize with the ‘oppressed’ Palestinians. Of course some liberals might say that the liberals show tough love, but you might as well sell the Brooklyn bridge. Please remember that George H. W. Bush and Bob Dole were both liberal republicans.
Midwest, the difference is the Democrats coddle and tolerate anti-semites whilst the Republcans throw them out asap. As far as the evangelicals, they are Israel’s best friends. Sure we have out theological differences, but they are not trying to convert Jews like the Baptists. George W. Bush was Israel’s best friend in the Oval Office.
so right
Evangelical Christians are BAD NEWS for Jews. Ever hear of Jews for Jesis (purposesly misspelled)? They are an Evangelical Christian group. Evangelicals are sneaky.
WellInformed, he wrote Israel not Jews. Evangelicals believe that Je_us will come only after we are in our land, hence their pro-Israel stance.
so right,
Check out the Republican named Jim Russell who is running against Nita Lowey for the 18th Congressional District in New York. He wrote a paper that suggested that it was important to keep the population of Jews to a minimum — a paper that was promoted on the web site of none other than David Duke! At least the Republican hierachy has distanced themselves from him, but the fact that he has managed to win not one but two Republican primaries might cause me to question whether Republican voters are all sympathetic to our cause. In contrast, Lowey is a pro-Israel Democrat.
Or check out John Dennis, the Republican running against Nancy Pelosi in the 8th Congressional District of California. Pelosi has been pro-Israel even though she represents one of the few congressional districts in America where that loses votes. Dennis, on the other hand, is an openly Gay supporter of same sex marriage who is an admirer of the famous atheist hedonist Ayn Rand and the anti-Semite Ron Paul who is supporting his candidacy.
Also, McKinney is no longer a Democrat. I personally contributed to the candidate who defeated her in her last Democratic primary, so it is not incorrect to say that we Democrats threw her out. Also note that none of the other names you mention have ever been elected to anything. Duke, on the other hand, served in the Louisiana legislature. (To their credit, most prominent Republicans actively opposed Duke, but you wonder how such a person can get so many votes.)
so right,
Since you are such a fan of Bush I presume you support a settlement freeze and the 1967 borders as the basis for a Palestinian State?
Dave Hirsch
My point is that they use organizations like Jews for J to do their dirty work. They aren’t waiting.
Dave Hirsch,
The Torah actually provides for what we would now call Big Government. The mitzvot singled out to be taught to prospective converts are not Shabat, kashrut, and taharat hamishpachah but Leket, Peah, Shich’chah, and Maaser Oni — to remind prospective converts that the world belongs to HaShem, not to us. Communal authorities are given the responsibility for levying taxes for education, public works, provisions for the poor, and universal health care. Communal authorities also can restrict competition in business in order to protect the markets of existing businesses — local Vaads and Batei Dinim actually do this in practice, today. A beit din can declare your property ownerless and give it to someone else, with no compensation. Price gouging is asur — as is undercharging! And of course there is no freehold land tenure in Eretz Yisrael in the ideal torah society.
Every single one of these is in opposition to laissez-faire capitalism. There really is no such thing as private property; everything belongs to HaShem who has given us limited use of property along with a lot of restrictions. It looks like you have rights to your property not because it is yours but because the torah prohibits me from taking it from you.
Of course we haven’t always followed the torah. In the 17th century, Rabbi Yom Tov Lipman Heller, the famous author of the Tosafos Yom Tov commentary on the Mishnah, instituted what would now be called a progressive tax, with the wealthy in the community obliged to pay more than the not so wealthy. Some of the wealthy slandered him to the gentile authorities and had Rabbi Heller arrested! What a chilul HaShem!!!
charlie, again with your dishonesty. You bring up candidates who have no chance in winning (and anyone can be a candidate), while at the same time downplaying democratic antisemitic candidates like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson — who have tremendous influence in the Democrat party! Al Sharpton was almost as fixed a presence at Kerry’s side the night of his acceptance speech! Yet, it is common knowledge that this failed contender for the Democratic nomination incited anti-Jewish violence in the Crown Heights section of Brooklyn in 1991 and in Harlem in 1995. In the latter incident he encouraged the explicitly anti-Semitic boycott and picketing of a Jewish-owned store named “Freddy’s.” Eight employees of the store were killed in a fire started by one of Sharpton’s followers. But none of this unpleasantness has kept Sharpton from being treated with oily sycophancy by the Democratic leadership.
Also in 2002, the Alabama Democratic congressional incumbent Earl Hilliard attacked his challenger, Artur Davis, in a flier that read: “Davis and the Jews, No Good for the Black Belt.” (Both men are black.) Hilliard’s racist rhetoric did not prevent him from receiving support from 24 members of the Congressional Black Caucus and from the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, one of the party’s funding agencies.
Also, Ernest Hollings, the South Carolina Democratic senator, alleged, on the floor of the Senate, that Bush had sent the country to war “in order to win Jewish votes.” (Apparently Hollings, during his seven terms, had never discovered that a majority of Jews would vote Democratic even if Yasser Arafat and Osama bin Laden were at the top of the ticket.)
Outside of the Islamic world, the anti-Semitic upsurge of recent years is mainly a left-wing phenomenon. It is therefore not surprising that it should have brought the Democratic Party, more swiftly than the Republicans, to that dark and bloody crossroads where politics and conscience collide.
mbachur-
[Palestinian] people have been submitted to the daily and intensive use of poisonous gas by the Israeli forces, which has led to an increase in cancer cases among women and children.”
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charliehall-
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Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans have a monopoly of vice or virtue.
There are scoundrels, incompetents, racists, thieves and liars aplenty on both sides.
Some samples:
Evan Meacham (Scoundrel, GOP)
Dan Rostenkowski (Thief – Dem)
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In 1976, both Ford and Carter were anti-Israel.
In 2000, both Gore and Bush were pro-Israel.
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A request:
Please refrain from this and other personal insults.
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A correction:
Alan Dershowitz’s first name is spelled with one “L”.
So right,
You are the one who is being dishonest — you fail to mention that Davis defeated Hilliard in the primary!
ICOT,
I agree that both parties have their share of scoundrels, thieves, and even a few racists. But most politicians in both parties are none of these. I am mainly objecting to the “any Republican is better than any Democrat” mentality here. Aligning our interests with only one party is bad for the Jewish community and bad for Israel. (And yes, there are plenty of Democrats I’d vote against.)
charliehall,
Firstly, oppressive taxation is not the Jewish way. I once said that I am a Constitutionalist because I like keeping the money I earn. You replied that my money belongs to HaShem, not to me. Yes, it does belong to HKBH, NOT to the IRS/Barry Soetoro/the State of New York, like the Progressives want us to believe. If I could keep my money, than I’d be able to give 20% of my income to tzedakah, which would help poor yidden, yeshivos, and the dissemination of torah, not to go for the abortions of 14 year olds, bureaucrats’ salaries, salaries of Public School teachers, welfare for drug addicts who don’t want to work, etc. It is my money in a political context, and as a Yid, I should have the ability and freedom to use it to serve HaShem b’mitzvas tzedakah.
Pat Buchanan is no longer a member of the GOP. In fact, his foreign policy is liberal, not Neo-Conservative (I am fairly libertarian on domestic issues, with the exceptions of moral issues and foreign policy, on which I am more Neo-Con- I am almost 99% like Rep. Dr. Larry McDonald, obm, due to this). He was thrown out of the GOP. GHW Bush was NOT A Conservative or religious man- he was a liberal, WASP, CFR establishment guy from New England who put on a Texan facade to dupe the country just like his son did in 2000, another fake conservative and fiscal liberal). Let us not confuse apples and oranges here.
I have no reason to believe Ron Paul is an anti-semite. He has no hatred for the Jews. Do you base this on the fact he wants America to end foreign aid to Israel? This is based in his principled belief that we should not give foreign aid to ANY country. Had he felt that we should give money to countries EXCEPT Israel, than he would be an anti-semite. He wants to stop giving aid to Israel and all other countries we currently give money to. The truth is that the left wing is full of bleeding hearts who want to give money to the Hamas regime (aka Palestinians), continue funding the Jew-hating United Nations and its refugee agencies who help the Arab squatters in our land, and donate to Indonesia, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, etc. (under the pathetic guise of helping “moderate” Islamofascist regimes), while defunding what they perceive to be a repressive, prosperous, white country of Jews killing the poor, helpless, Palestinians who “have no choice” but to blow up buses to cope with their “internalized oppression.”
If we did end the measly $2 B we give them per year, you know what would happen? Israel would stop being a yehudion country, insecure and biting its nails all the time worrying about what the UN, America and Obama would think. Had we not given Israel the tight-fisted sum of $2 B a year, which makes not much of a difference at all, Israel would emerge as a nation that is sovereign, that makes its own decisions in confidence and Jewish pride, without having to fear the wrath of the United States. I fault Obama and Bush equally here- due to Israel taking American money, they humbly agreed that American policy would dictate Israeli policy. This is the reason why Gaza and now East Yerushalayim and Yesha, c”v, have been and will be rendered judenrein. You can blame the hitnatkut, which the Bush State Department, mainstream American Modern Orthodoxy and some Israeli Dati supported (OU, RCA, YU, R’ Yosef Blau, Gush, R’ Amital), with the few exceptions of the Chardalim, Igud Harabbonim, JTF, R’ Friedman, Young Israel, Chabadnikim, R’ Lior, R’ Melamed, R’ Aviner, and Jewish and Evangelical allies in America, on foreign aid and its implications. Israel should not be the horse, and America needs to stop waving the carrot. Plain and simple.
Had Ron Paul been elected, there would have been no disengagement and Israel would not have succumbed to pressure to committ suicide. Why? Because US foreign aid money, which comes with the condition of doing what the US gov’t wants done, would be off the table. Instead, Paul would have created an atmosphere of free trade with Israel, which would have enabled the Israeli economy to continue developing and fluorishing, rather than remaining impotent under the oppression of foreign aid. And we would have had an America that respected Israel’s right to defend herself, as she sees fit, without the rest of the world telling her what to do.
In fact, R’ Meir Kahane, Moshe Feiglin/Shmuel Sackett and the Manhigut Yehudit faction of the Likud Party, economist Yoel Bainerman ( http://www.meforum.org/258/end-american-aid-to-israel-yes-it-does-harm), Caroline Glick, Ilana Mercer, Boris Karpa, Aaron Zelman (who runs Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership) and Ron Paul’s economic adviser, who happen to be Jewish, Peter Schiff, among other Jewish libertarians and free-market economists, all agree that Israel’s acceptance of American foreign aid compromises Israeli sovereignty, negatively steers Israeli domestic polciy, and hinders Israeli prosperity. Would you say that these Jews are anti-semites?
In fact a Tzioni organziation called the Zionist Freedom Alliance endorsed Ron Paul, as did a leader of Manhigut Yehudit, which were featured on Arutz Sheva: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/124307
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/7552
Are Yehuda Hakohen and Shmuel Ben-Gad anti-semites?
In Ron Paul’s own words, “No foreign aid means that we’ve cut off all the aid to all the enemies of Israel,” he said. “And they get three times as much money as Israel gets. And Israel is the powerhouse in the Middle East, so they’re going to stay strong and defend themselves.”
“I’m defending the sovereignty of Israel,” Paul continued. “We shouldn’t have a veto over what they want to do with their borders. We shouldn’t have a veto on their peace process. And if we weren’t there interfering and telling them what they can and can’t do, I think they would have more peace overtures.”
Are these the words of a Jew-hater?
Does anyone remember Osirak? When Israel took out the Iraqi nuclear reactor Osirak in 1981 in Operation Opera, in an act of self-defense, the Reagan administration condemned Israel (like the child who gets scolded when they don’t listen to daddy or mommy, who feed them) in a harsh rage, and of course, the UN attacked the Jewish State in UNSC Resolution 487
Most congressmen, Republicans and Democrats, condemned Israel, as well, for this justified act of self-defense.
And you know who the only congressman defending Israel was? Ron Paul (see the Congressional Record if you don’t believe me).
Let me note, however, that I am not a Ron Paul supporter. However, do not call Non-interventionism (the approach of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson) anti-semitism. George Washington said we should avoid “all entangling alliances.” He also wrote magnanimous letters to the heads of Touro Synagogue that charliehall has always posted for the olam to see. Would you say that George Washington hated Jews because he believed America shouldn’t get invovled in other countries’ affairs?
Like I said above, I am of the Larry McDoanld mindset. I believe in a free market economy, traditional morals, and a foreign policy that robustly defends our allies in the fight against oppression, communism, statism/totalitarianism in any of its forms, left or right, Islamofascism, and all other threats to the free world. I cannot support Ron Paul’s foreign policy of not defending our allies in the struggle for freedom by aiding Israel, Taiwan, South Korea, and other such countries. However, I would also like to point out the fallacy in equating Ron Paul’s support of the founders’ foreign policy with anti-semitism.
His economics, though, are of the Austrian School, the most free-market economic system, created by Ludwig Von Mises and Murray Rothbard (2 Jews), and led by thinkers such as Walter Block (Jewish) and HaRav professor Yisroel Meir Kirzner, an NYU Professor of Austrian Economics and a musmach of R’ Hutner at Chaim Berlin. In fact, R’ Joanthan Sacks even delivered a lecture at the right-wing Institute of Economic Affairs in London England, where he is a fellow, and gave a speech liberally quoting the great Austrian economists- Hayek, Von Mises, etc. ( http://www.aei.org/book/582). This lecture was held in MEMORY of Friedrich Hayek, a father of Austrian Ron Paul-style economics.
As a Democrat, your economic darlings are John Maynard Keynes and Karl Marx, the latter of which envisioned “A World Without Jews” and called Jews “capitalist hucksters” and the former of which called Jews “ugly, repulsive, and impure” (he was the architect of the New Deal), http://www.spectator.co.uk/clivedavis/3274946/keynes-and-antisemitism.thtml
Also, charliehall, you boast of your wife’s position as a general practitioner and of your serving as a statistics professor at AECOM. Is “really crazy nutty” a scientifically-accepted term? I wonder what the DSM-IV diagnostic criteria are for this condition known as being a “really crazy nutty?” Is this classified as an anxiety disorder, a somatoform disorder, a mood disorder, or a psychotic disorder? Are you promoting Soviet-style Psikushka, aka punitive psychiatry, in which those who express political opinions differing from those you hold to be true are deemed to be mentally ill? Do all of us right-wingers in your solitary mind have “sluggish schizophrenia,” the arbitrary diagnosis used by left-wing Soviet psychiatrists against freedom-minded people like Solzhenitsyn?
Ayn Rand, by the way, was a bas yisroel (Alina Rosenberg), despite her imperfections. (Sorry, have to run to vasiknin and shiur).
Republicans/Conservatives tend to support Israel, but it’s ok if they don’t like Jews.
Democrats/Liberals tend to support Jews (Section 8, food stamps etc), but it’s ok if they don’t like Israel.
We have to vote for who will be good for AMERICA. Not for the Jews. So said the Chafetz Chaim.
The Chofetz Chaim never said that. Also, Republicans (as a rule) dislike Jews a lot less than do the Democrats (especially members of the Democrats’ Congressional Black Caucus.) And Republicans support Yeshiva vouchers.
I’m fiscally Republican and sometimes socially Democrat. I believe in social equality regardless of background, history or basic choices.
But I also think we need to stop enabling people.
Firstly, oppressive taxation is not the Jewish way.
Tirumah, Maaser Rishon, Maaser Sheni, Maaser Ani, Mandatory Korbonos, Maaser B’Haima, Kofin on Tzedaka, Maaser Ksafim, etc 🙂
Besides, Yeravam’s revolt was mostly based on oppressive taxation.
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Then again, to find a Halachic Ani is either very easy (anyone with a mortgage) or very difficult:
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Maaser is tithing, not taxes. Taxation is state-imposed and is not a mitzvah. Maaser is a mitzvah, and is given from HaShem. Two totally different things.
SJS,
You say, “I’m fiscally Republican and sometimes socially Democrat. I believe in social equality regardless of background, history or basic choices.”
Social equalty can only come about through fiscally conservative policies, such as reducing taxes, putting people to work, encouraging free enterprise, and promoting entrepreneurship.
Maaser is tithing, not taxes. Taxation is state-imposed and is not a mitzvah. Maaser is a mitzvah, and is given from HaShem. Two totally different things.
Not in a Theocracy; Or are we ignoring “Som Tasim Alecha Melech”?
Beis Din (i.e. the legal system) would force it if required, and that makes it a tax.
Also, I disagree that Taxation is not a Kiyum Mitzva (in some form, what I am not sure), see BB 9a.
Hey, I’ll chime in. As Walter E Williams points out. Conservatives donate more money to charity then Liberals, and Capitalist countries donate more money then Socialist.
Try reading, watching and listening to the works of Milton Friedman, Thomas Sowell and Walter E Williams.
I was a Democrat for almost 30 years before I completely saw the light.
With BHO as president, I found it hard to believe that anyone can vote for a Democrat to Congress.
Riddle: Who sent the Flotillas to Israel. Hint – There is a link to the president.
Rebdoniel, I’m refering to limiting freedoms to people based on gender or orientation.
I don’t beleive I have the right to vote away someones freedom because I’m in the majority. So I actually have no problem with gay marriage. Even though I oppose it on a moral level.
SJS, It’s not about their rights, it’s about ours. Nobody is stopping any of them from doing what they want. They are infringing on us and want to force us to redefine our values and bring up our children with values that are disgusting to us and our father in heaven. Whether they beleive in Hashem or not doesn’t make a difference. We do, and we love him too; we refuse to allow among ourselves disgusting acts and beliefs. Who are they to tell us what to believe? Did you notice that not even Rabbi Yehuda Levin is saying to arrest all those Posh’im? It is about our rights, not theirs.
They are not asking for Orthodox Rabbis to perform marriage ceremonies for them.
They are asking for the government (seperation of Church and State) to allow them the same legal rights. I can’t think of any legal reason they should be allowed.
Remember, they aren’t asking for your acceptance. They are asking for the removal of discrimination.
discrimination is a marvelous thing
it means to be able to tell the difference between different things
it means not all things are the same
it means not all things should be treated as if they are the same
it means to use your seichel
Mod80, people use to use those terms to discriminate against Blacks, Jews and other minorities.
I refuse to vote FOR discrimination.
yes sj
you have to be discriminate in your discrimination
They are infringing on us and want to force us to redefine our values and bring up our children with values that are disgusting to us and our father in heaven. Whether they beleive in Hashem or not doesn’t make a difference. We do, and we love him too; we refuse to allow among ourselves disgusting acts and beliefs. Who are they to tell us what to believe?
It’s really scary when one could apply almost the exact same words to the Westboro Baptist Church (and their ilk).
The Wolf
I’m not sure I understand your point.
I’m not sure I understand your point.
You can almost hear the same rant — practically word for word — coming out of the mouth of a member of the WBC — about Jews.
I find that very scary.
The Wolf
SJS, are you a log cabin republican then?
“but Leket, Peah, Shich’chah, and Maaser Oni — to remind prospective converts that the world belongs to HaShem, not to us.”
None of these 4 gifts go through the hands of any bureaucrat.
It is an interesting question why prospective converts are informed about these Mitzvot when they do not get a portion in the land to farm.
Perhaps it is to assure them that they will not starve if they convert?
The “talk” given to would be converts contains warnings of negative consequences, but also also positive consequences.
This belongs on another thread…
Either everybody on this thread is under fifty years of age or they’ve really got amnesia. Fifty years ago Jews were actively discriminated against in the USA, and it was worse for Orthodox. It was really difficult for a shomer Shabbos person to get a job, and you could be fired for wearing your yarmulkeh or sheitel to work.
A lot of Jews who had been brought up Orthodox went frei because the employers said, “If you don’t come in on Saturday, don’t come in on Monday.”
Many title deeds in white neighborhoods specified that the house could not be sold to either a black or a Jew.
That’s why so many Jews participated in the Civil Rights Movement. If you check the Civil Rights Act of 1964 it forbids discriminating by religion as well as race.
So remember that discrimination isn’t just about *them* – it’s nogeia b’davar for us too. Most people who don’t like blacks don’t like Jews either, they’re just a little more careful about expressing it. Same for discriminating against gays. We don’t hold by their activities, but the same kind of prejudice can get redistributed back onto us if the social climate changes. Better to be against all social discrimination on the public level, and maintain our own standards in our own communities.
Civil Rights Act of 1964 was very much a true bipartisan achievement.
Both parties have changed drastically in the past 50 years.
Still in 2010 being a blatant racist of any type will get you kicked out of both parties.
In 2010 anti Israel and anti Jew sentiment has found a home in the far left.
Anon, I never heard that term before. I just googled and it seems like I would fit that.
Just remember, if we ask to discriminate, don’t expect anyone to be sympathetic to causes like shechita.
“sympathetic to causes like shechita”
The problems come from those who are too sympathetic to animal rights.
Wolfish, so you are from the religion-is-cruel camp? I mean, we shake Lulav. How is that any different than a group of hoodlums brandishing knives?
I’m discussing the idea that they are trying to force their values on the rest of us, and you talk about hate mongers. It seems to me that they actually succeeded in their quest to reeducate the masses. Just read the last few comments and realize the ideology espoused.
Yes, I reserve the right to maintain my morals. It’s actually weird that you guys turn the tables and aquate immorality with the just cause of non-discrimination, and the refusal to drop normal, clean and moral standards with mean behavior. This is the fruits of the whole campaign to smear moral people, as if morality equals aloofness and cruelty.
They worked hard to make ‘moralist’ a derogatory term, and they found a customer in you. If I don’t let you spit in my face, I obviously would never hold the door for you, right?
Please realise when you are duped.
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