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July 27, 2015 1:36 am at 1:36 am #616094JosephParticipant
What would be a more tznius-appropriate replacement idiom for the colloquial expression of “It ain’t over till the fat lady sings”?
July 27, 2015 1:37 am at 1:37 am #1134821🍫Syag LchochmaParticipantwhy change it?
July 27, 2015 1:42 am at 1:42 am #1134822Tana Dbei RavMembersomeone’s bored…
July 27, 2015 1:46 am at 1:46 am #1134823JosephParticipantSinging ladies aren’t tznius.
July 27, 2015 1:56 am at 1:56 am #1134824☕️coffee addictParticipanthow about “it aint over till it’s over”
July 27, 2015 2:05 am at 2:05 am #1134825lesschumrasParticipantWhat part of the expression is not tznius?
July 27, 2015 2:31 am at 2:31 am #1134826showjoeParticipant???
i have heard people say “it aint over till its over”
crude, but it gets the job done
July 27, 2015 2:38 am at 2:38 am #1134827pcozMemberVann der groysse macher zogt az der sach iz fahrtigt.
July 27, 2015 3:34 am at 3:34 am #1134828feivelParticipantIt ain’t over till the shofar blows
July 27, 2015 3:40 am at 3:40 am #1134829feivelParticipantIt ain’t over till the last amen
July 27, 2015 3:41 am at 3:41 am #1134830feivelParticipantIt ain’t over till the stars come out
July 27, 2015 3:57 am at 3:57 am #1134831sushibagelMemberIt Ain’t over till you drink the fourth cup
July 27, 2015 4:55 am at 4:55 am #1134832pcozMemberIt ain’t over till der alter Zeida davent pessukei de’zimrah.
July 27, 2015 5:18 am at 5:18 am #1134833Avi KParticipant1.Maybe she only sings for women and girls.
2. Shouldn’t it be “until she says Aleinu” (unfortunately, in some shuls this is tefillat haderech).
July 27, 2015 8:51 am at 8:51 am #1134834July 27, 2015 11:23 am at 11:23 am #1134835tirtzaParticipantI think the origin of that expression is more objectionable than only tznius.
Many operas (who frequently have “fat ladies”, women who need to have the capacity to project to a huge opera house) are not often concluded by a “fat woman” singing.
Mozart and Rossini usually have a chorus or ensemble.
Verdi and Puccini frequently have duets.
Donizetti has a variety.
The type of opera that almost always is sung by a large woman because the orchestra is so large is Wagnerian opera.
About “being over”, the length of Wagner’s operas are always excessively long, so one would ask, “When is it going to be over(finally)?”
Wagner, has a preoccupation with women, especially in “Tristan und Isolde”, where I believe this expression came from, and the final scene has the “fat lady” singing until she dies.
So I think that, definitely, frum Yidden shouldn’t use this term.
There are some cute suggestions here, but if one wants to continue in the music mode of the original, one could say “till the cymbals clash and the timpani roll.”(Just got thru listening to Mahler.) 🙂
July 27, 2015 12:20 pm at 12:20 pm #1134836akupermaParticipantThe cliche’s meaning would be lost on most Orthodox Jews since we rarely go to opera. An equivalent tha tmight be more familiar (since it can be traced to a former manager and players for both New York ball teams) is “it ain’t over till it’s over”.
July 27, 2015 12:30 pm at 12:30 pm #1134837YesOrNoParticipantHow about this:
Eppes Lechoyra
there’s no maskana
till the Groise Rebetzin
is causing the Oilam to be nizher not to be nichshol in Kol Isha.
July 27, 2015 12:45 pm at 12:45 pm #1134838goofusParticipantIt aint over till the mourners say kaddish.
July 27, 2015 12:53 pm at 12:53 pm #1134839Ex-CTLawyerParticipantYou can tell this is a Yeshivish group.
Most have no understanding that most classical European opera ended with a fat female soprano singing over the body of the slain hero…etc.
July 27, 2015 1:36 pm at 1:36 pm #1134840feivelParticipantIt ain’t over till the toothpick is dry
July 27, 2015 2:19 pm at 2:19 pm #1134841ChachamParticipantIt ain’t over till the food truck pulls away
July 27, 2015 2:53 pm at 2:53 pm #1134842🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant“It ain’t over till the toothpick is dry “
feivel – i didnt know you had a domestic side to you.
July 27, 2015 3:38 pm at 3:38 pm #1134843feivelParticipantI watch my wife. When awaiting warm brownies, my interest is engaged.
July 27, 2015 4:02 pm at 4:02 pm #1134844HealthParticipantHow about – “It ain’t over – till Joe gets his post in!”
July 27, 2015 4:16 pm at 4:16 pm #1134845uncle tjMemberit aint over till after havdala
July 27, 2015 4:49 pm at 4:49 pm #1134846tirtzaParticipantCTLAWYER,
see my post, it’s not “most” but particularly one composer.
July 27, 2015 5:50 pm at 5:50 pm #1134847👑RebYidd23ParticipantIdioms don’t have to make sense. So since this is a made up idiom, it doesn’t even have to have a sensible origin:
The carrots speak seven times.
July 27, 2015 6:32 pm at 6:32 pm #1134848GoGoGoParticipantJust put it this way:
“I don’t know, but if the fat lady sings I’m OUTTA HERE.” And I mean, totally out Just RUNNINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG away.
July 27, 2015 6:37 pm at 6:37 pm #1134849golferParticipantIt ain’t over til they break the glass.
July 27, 2015 7:15 pm at 7:15 pm #1134850nishtdayngesheftParticipantVen de grubbe bubbe git a prubeh
July 27, 2015 9:32 pm at 9:32 pm #1134851mobicoParticipantPersonally, I think that the real problem with the original is that it is so insulting and insensitive to women who are overweight. How about, “It ain’t over until the individual who happens to be female – but every bit an equal to a male – with a BMI index of 39 emits sounds that are pleasing to her, and keep your own opinion if you disagree to yourself!”
July 27, 2015 9:49 pm at 9:49 pm #1134852mobicoParticipantOr how about, “It ain’t over until Iran has the bomb”?
July 27, 2015 9:50 pm at 9:50 pm #1134853mobicoParticipantIt ain’t over ’till the seventh Hakafah.
July 27, 2015 9:52 pm at 9:52 pm #1134854mobicoParticipantIt ain’t over ’till Rosh Hashanah.
July 27, 2015 10:52 pm at 10:52 pm #1134855pcozMemberIt ain’t over till the holographic projection of the female cannibal hot gefahrtig alle der cholent.
January 29, 2016 6:37 pm at 6:37 pm #1134856HashemisreadingParticipantit aint over until Rebyidd has the last word.
January 29, 2016 7:40 pm at 7:40 pm #1134857malei daas torahMemberIs it mutar to listen to kol isha?
– You’re not oyver till the fat lady sings
February 1, 2016 4:50 am at 4:50 am #1134858oomisParticipantIt ain’t over til it’s over, originated with Yogi Berra, I thought. He was known for skewering expressions.
February 2, 2016 6:11 pm at 6:11 pm #1134859mewhoParticipantits not over till the zaftig frau gives a geshrei
February 2, 2016 6:13 pm at 6:13 pm #1134860mewhoParticipantits not over till the chick stops clucking
February 3, 2016 12:46 am at 12:46 am #1134861funnyboneParticipantIt’s no over until we sing chad gadya
February 3, 2016 12:53 am at 12:53 am #1134862funnyboneParticipantIt’s not over until we say hadran alach shas
February 3, 2016 7:06 pm at 7:06 pm #1134863apushatayidParticipantwhy do we want to replace the fat lady?
February 3, 2016 7:35 pm at 7:35 pm #1134864JosephParticipantwhy do we want to replace the fat lady?
See my second post on top.
February 3, 2016 8:19 pm at 8:19 pm #1134865apushatayidParticipantThanks for the info. I better tell my wife to skip the local beis yackov production this year.
February 3, 2016 8:22 pm at 8:22 pm #1134866👑RebYidd23ParticipantAre they fat?
February 3, 2016 8:23 pm at 8:23 pm #1134867JosephParticipantThey have an opera?
February 3, 2016 8:44 pm at 8:44 pm #1134868apushatayidParticipantgood questions. ill have to call the school to find out.
February 3, 2016 8:55 pm at 8:55 pm #1134869WolfishMusingsParticipantSinging ladies aren’t tznius
Not true. You may not be able to listen to them, but they are free to sing in places where there is a reasonable expectation that men will not hear them.
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