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For all those people advocating to boycott Spirit or to litigate them into bankruptcy:
Spirit literally saves me and many, many, other Yidden, thousands of dollars every year on air travel.
For example, I have tickets to spend Pesach with family for only about $35 each round trip. BH, we have to buy a large number of tickets. Over the past decade, we have flown probably around 40 round trips as a family, all on Spirit.
As I posted elsewhere on YWN, I’ve never had a problem with any of their staff. I’ve actually only witnessed one instance of someone who did, and that person was clearly wrong, and clearly not Jewish.
Were it not for Spirit’s cheap fares, I would almost never get to see most of my family, and my children would almost never get to see their grandparents, uncles, aunts and cousins. Many Yidden would see their business expenses rise exponentially, and some would have to either relocate or close their businesses.
Seen from this perspective, Spirit is a huge supporter of the Frum community. In your thoughtless reactionary arrogance, you are trying to hurt the finances of hundreds (perhaps thousands) of Yidden.
CY: Is this the NY-Miami route that you’re flying?
I never fly Spirit because they nickle and dime you to death, they have lousy customer service and the CEO openly said they have nothing bu contempt for the passangers, however I do encourage everyone to fly them, I own stock it
you don’t really save money on spirit, you think you do. big myth. For example you pay 30$ to go on spirit From JFK to FLL. cost $30 oh you want a glass of water? that will be $10. you want a carry on? another $30.
JFK to FLL on delta, jetblue or AA. $59 Includes carry on and glass of water, among other services. so unless your willing to fly just the shirt on your back you end up spending the same amount of money on spirit airlines.
>> Is this the NY-Miami route that you’re flying?
I agree with Catch’s sentiment!
Maybe this have something do with NY, Jews being a significant subset of the whole?
You can either blame NYers or spirit for not preparing their staff for the NY attitudes.I once interviewed w/ a consulting company that offered 2 tracks – NY and “the rest of the world”.
I asked whether I can interview for both. They said – no, these are two different worlds. Choose one.Catch Yourself, Fyi I check a random date in the end of April NYC to Fla and guess what these were the RT prices
Frontier 57
United 81
Jetblue 81
American 99
Delta 107
Spirt 115Catch, yes. The price difference maybe not that important for small working families, but think how many Jewish families were able to afford vacations because of them! Yes, they charge extras, but for those for whom it matters (or who pride themselves on not paying retail), a little planning helps: give home water to all kids before security, pack all extras into one suitcase. Repeating a not well known secret – if you drive to and buy in the airport, you also skip their “online ticket fee”, and they might even assign your seats for free if you come when it is empty and you ask _nicely_.
By all means keep flying Spirt, Spirt stock went up 165% since I bought it, I still wont fly then even if I own shares becuase of the horrible customer service, that is one of the few things CT Lawyer and I agree on
>> one of the few things CT Lawyer and I agree on
Spirit = Ruach Shalom?
@always
Common Saychel and I actually agree on many things when politics, politicians and secular government is not involvedCatch, Our family flew on Frontier this summer, [$60 Rt NYC to LAS] same business model as Spirit, but at least the employees are not hostile to you.
Ct Lawyer 🙂I am glad that we came to appreciation of what these companies provide.
We often tend to think that “baalei tzedokah” are only those who donate their money to worthy causes. Does being paid for doing a mitzva makes it less of a mitzva? We allow even taking money for teaching Torah, so kal vehomer, anyone who does a mitzva of heeling people, helping people take cheap vacations, buy online goods desreves our appreciation. I think it is Ben Azzai who contemplated how many people are involved in making his breakfast? So much so in our time, when right now someone in China is packaging something you are going to buy tomorrow.
@AAQ, nothing personal but edited Milton Friedman said it best. “A Friedman Doctrine: The Social Responsibility of Business is to Increase Its Profits”. In it, he argued that a company has no social responsibility to the public or society; its only responsibility is to its shareholders.
Spirit said it in as many words, the CEO said it our job to get you from point A to point B no different then the subway, anything extra you are going to pay for it, and if the plane does not fly thats too bad.
If @ Catchyourself can beat them at their own game more power to him, fact of the matter is 60% of Spirits revenue come from ancilary fees and the airlines as a whole take in about 8 B in baggage fees.
You really need to do some serious soul searching if your idea of tzedoka is low airfares and idea of terchah dtzibur is having them answer amainAnother day another family kicked off of Sprirt, thanks for reminding not flying them
@common & Milton Friedman – There is no stira between Friedman and me. We are both saying that business creates value in the process of doing business.
Note that Milton Friedman is often somewhat dogmatic and simplistic in his heroic defense of the free enterprise from the socialist plague. One striking example, he praises Hong Kong v. Israel, saying similar sized countries and see how better Hong Kong done w/ pure capitalism … With more time passed, we see that Hong Kong was gobbled by PRC and Israel produced some free enterprise …
So, I would update Friedman with a permission to appreciate mitzvos achieved by business, not just rely on a theorem that business is good, thus I can just pursue whateer I want. When you select a direction for your business, you can select something that benefits Jews/humanity – food, books, medicine, defense, building/creation of new things, rather than buying/selling stocks that would also indirectly be useful, of course.
Also, if you are blessed not to have shareholders, then you are even more free to choose direction for your business.
Yerishalmi Shekalim ~ 13 similarly describes companies who would business with Beis Hamikdash without much profit – either to benefit from name recognition of their pasrtner or to combine business with tzedokah
@Catch Yourself, “We also paid for four checked bags ($41 each, which is higher than it used to be).
Total cost: $286 one way, or $572 round trip, for 6 passengers.”
Love it, that plus the lowest paid employees in the airline industry caused my Spirt stock to soar.@AAQ, “One striking example, he praises Hong Kong v. Israel, saying similar sized countries and see how better Hong Kong done w/ pure capitalism … With more time passed, we see that Hong Kong was gobbled by PRC and Israel produced some free enterprise …”
Hong Kong was not gobbled up by the PRC, it reverted back to China after the lease by the UK was over and they had to give certain assurances to them. Israel was dragged kicking into the free market during Bibi’s first term and the socialist were fighting him every step of the way.
Please dont reinvent history. BTW Friedman was 1000% right the GNP of Hong Kong was and is still greater then Israel.
If you told the CEO of Spirit, Ryanair or Wizz air that they are doing tzodoka they would laugh in your face and tell you to get a check up from your neck upYou really think a few Yidden on Yeshiva world saying there gunnu boycott spirit is bringing down the company?HA!!
You have to put a quarter in the plane every 5 minutes to keep it going
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