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As an unemployed father of 4 children I need to publicise my feelings wehen I often see job openings stating “Female preferred” of “Female Only”. Its hard enough in times as these to get jobs when non-Jews or non-religous Jews may keep out Frum Jews. But do Frum Jewish men now also need to dread Frum Jews who for some reason must only have Females? Are these “Tsadikim”? Why can’t Frum Men also be bookkeepers or do regular office work. And most of the time upon whom does the economic life of a family rest – not the men? So why should a young recent girl grad automatically be accepted and experienced skilled frum men should automatically be non grata? Is it really business sense or maybe Yaitser Hara? FOr both the desire to only have a lady around and for depriving a frum man from parnassah in these hard times because he’s not a women. Before “womsns suffrage” men were also secretaries. Equal Job Openings and Equal pay!
Don’t kid yourself
The reason they prefer females is so they can take advantage and pay them $10 an hour.
Show me an “experienced skilled frum man” who is willing to work for that amount of pay- not gonna happen
Are you, a father of 4, gonna work for that salary? if you are, there are plenty of jobs for you.
Pumper, that is true and in addition there is probably a female secretary in the office as well which would probably mean “Yichud” for the two of you. Jewish employers and not looking for problems and issues whether it means their pocket when it comes to salary and benefits or when it comes to halachic requirements.
I understand your predicament but you have to look at it both ways. Why are they asking for females? Is it because its an all girl office? Are they willing to train in someone new and inexperienced for less pay?
If its an office of girls would YOU want to be the odd man out (excuse the pun). In addition it can cause the female wokers there to be uncomfortable with a male colleague in their midst.
Also not necessarily is it easy for a graduate to find a job. When i was looking after hi school, most of the jobs that i applied for was looking for experience.
Hatzlacha finding a job.
Are we talking about the USA? That sort of ad is patently illegal here.
Many offices do have men. But what kind of salary are you intersted in- would you wrok for $12 an hour like many young inexpeinced girls are doing?
BenK – Are you looking for opportunities outside of flatbush? Maybe you should consider moving out of town.
There are less jobs OOT than in NYC (generally speaking.)
Why not post a “situation” wanted ad and see if anyone answers. Aside from that why not send your resume to all ads even if they “prefer” a female. If you are the most qualified they might reconsider.
Send your resume to ; ny.pcsjobs.org hopefully they will be able to help you.Have you contacted cope that you are looking again?
DY:
Good idea, but it is an outright exception.
As per the OP: I completely hear the idea of a full single gender workforce as part of a school (If that is the case), and it is probably legal (as the NYC law excludes single gender schools, as well as religious institutions).
I actually did post something on Luach as an experienced and skilled QB person
You’re a quarterback?!
If you ask the owner he will most likely say “business is business” as I have heard so often recently.
gaw,
I see that my post (as well as the post I was responding to) was removed. My point was that if a company wants a female employee because of a legitimate tznius concern, it’s acceptable. I was also disturbed by the advocacy of mesirah.
from the other thread from the same op
“In this real bad job crisis our organizations and leaders need to do what ever possible to save families on the brink.”
Why should men who have families get the job over a single man?
DY,
I am disturbed by YOUR advocacy of illegal activity, even in the face of evidence that a frum Jew is being harmed by it.
advocacy of mesirah
i would say advocacy, instigation, and facilitation of mesira
My point was that if a company wants a female employee because of a legitimate tznius concern, it’s acceptable.
But illegal (in most cases), and as such, unacceptable.
Tznius concerns do not allow me not to hire an African American, either.
Hilchos tznius (like all halachas) take precedence over EEOC regulations.
Joe: I wouldn’t expect anything less from you, LOL.
Anyone else?
I think one of the main reasons women are getting hired more is the salary issue. The buinesses today just don’t want to pay that much! Seriously, you can’t apply for secretarial positions in most offices, but Book keeping is a possibility for both male and females.
gaw- there are size exemptions to the EEOC laws. Small offices may be allowed to do this legally. Larger offices and businesses would be breaking the law unless there is a business reason to do so (e.g. your business provides surrogate mothers- men need not apply for that position).
veteran: OK, I assumed there were additional exemptions.
Look in the Jewish Press this week. There is an add for a male Book keeper.
Get ur cpa and open ur own practice…seems like u have plenty of free time now to study…
I am disturbed by YOUR advocacy of illegal activity, even in the face of evidence that a frum Jew is being harmed by it.
I never said to break the law, I don’t know that anything illegal is being done. But even if it is, it’a assur to be moser. And why do you say that a frum Jew is being harmed,; they’re probably giving the job to a different frum Jew.
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