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July 20, 2015 11:41 pm at 11:41 pm #1149356Jewish ThinkerParticipant
Who says that if Rav Moshe know the small fine thats involved would he have been Ok’ed it.
Rav Moshe tz”l knew about the small fine involved. See Igros Moshe 1:48
August 9, 2015 1:57 am at 1:57 am #1149357☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantI heard the story again (again second hand) from a totally different source.
August 9, 2015 2:21 am at 2:21 am #1149358JosephParticipantIt’s a famous, well known, story.
August 9, 2015 4:26 am at 4:26 am #1149359maitivParticipantThe story is true, but the person made a few mistakes.
1. It was with Reb Moishe Weinstein not Feinstein
2. He did not drink cholov stam, he had drank a cup of salad dressing that his daughter stored in a cholov stam bottle.
3. Nobody saw him throw it up because he went to the bathroom for that.
4. The story is written in a sefer which was unfortunately destroyed since the ksav yad was eaten by the mechaber’s pet racoon, but bederech ness many of the stories in that remarkable ksav yad have survived and been retold for many years, some say the racoon had a photographic memory since he was a gilgul of a great illuy and the racoon told over what he had digested.
5. What is certainly true is that a kid on Clifton and 3rd who had drank too many beers and vomited all over the sidewalk admitted that he had a cholov stam ice cream before the beer and that was why it looked such a light color, and when his mother was screaming at him he said that he had a lot of cholov stam ice cream and only one beer.
April 8, 2016 4:12 pm at 4:12 pm #1149361Jewish ThinkerParticipantAccording to you there may be some revisionism, acc. to others there may not be. It is subjective.
I think I was mistaken, revisionism is an objective question. People may have opposing views, but it is still an objective question.
April 8, 2016 4:33 pm at 4:33 pm #1149362JosephParticipantJT: You seem to have been on a mission over the last few months to retract your posts from the last year. What gives?
April 11, 2016 1:12 am at 1:12 am #1149363Jewish ThinkerParticipantApril 11, 2016 1:52 am at 1:52 am #1149364Jewish ThinkerParticipantApril 14, 2016 10:38 pm at 10:38 pm #1149365enlightenedjewMemberI call bubba meisa.
April 14, 2016 11:56 pm at 11:56 pm #1149366🐵 ⌨ GamanitParticipantI know I’m responding to a really old post, but kosher was asking what happens to the millions of gallons of pig milk. The answer to that is very simple. The millions of piglets in America use it all up. Pigs do not produce much milk, and are also very hard to milk. Therefore, typically, the baby pigs get to stay with the mother until they are ready to eat slop and then the mother no longer produces the milk. The end. There is no large supply of milk that the pig man is looking to get rid of.
April 15, 2016 1:26 am at 1:26 am #1149367☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantApril 15, 2016 1:31 pm at 1:31 pm #1149368☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantBut apparently, not in Ben and Jerry’s.
April 15, 2016 5:49 pm at 5:49 pm #1149369Jewish ThinkerParticipantJoseph- I may not have seen all of my posts but when I did see some that I felt were incorrect I tried to correct them.
I guess you can call it a “mission”.
April 15, 2016 6:25 pm at 6:25 pm #1149370Jewish ThinkerParticipantJoseph- My main point is that I didn’t go through deeply on my posts on halacha and there may be some mistakes there.
So there may be corrections there that are needed but again this is an informal CR so I tell people not to rely on me.
April 15, 2016 6:33 pm at 6:33 pm #1149371Jewish ThinkerParticipantThe truth is, Joseph, is that I have probably seen all of my posts. Not all have corrections, usually bec. I am unsure if they are right or wrong.
My second post to you was addressing a different point, not exactly in context. Sorry.
April 15, 2016 7:02 pm at 7:02 pm #1149372Jewish ThinkerParticipantAnd I may think some of my posts are right and they may be completely wrong, I am only human.
April 15, 2016 7:05 pm at 7:05 pm #1149373☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantYour subtitle already says not to rely on you. I don’t think you need to remind everyone on every post you make.
April 15, 2016 8:08 pm at 8:08 pm #1149374Jewish ThinkerParticipantApril 15, 2016 9:05 pm at 9:05 pm #1149375Jewish ThinkerParticipantThe truth is, Joseph, is that I have probably seen all of my posts. Not all have corrections, usually bec. I am unsure if they are right or wrong.
Some may find this ironic but part of this post ( part about why some of my posts may not have corrections) is mistaken, I believe.
April 20, 2016 4:35 pm at 4:35 pm #1149376Jewish ThinkerParticipantWhat I meant when I said it was mistaken is that the issue is more complex than I originally realized.
April 21, 2016 1:28 am at 1:28 am #1149377Jewish ThinkerParticipantJoseph- My main point is that I didn’t go through deeply on my posts on halacha and there may be some mistakes there.
So there may be corrections there that are needed but again this is an informal CR so I tell people not to rely on me.
There is an important point missing. That, being the possible complex nature of halacha and the fact that I am not trained in the manner of psak, I would not feel comfortable telling people to rely on me here.
April 21, 2016 2:47 am at 2:47 am #1149378🍫Syag LchochmaParticipantMr. Thinker, I think people are much less, or not at all, inclined to rely on your word and instead are probably mildly concerned about your well being. I hope you are aware that you appear unusually anxious about these posts and I also hope you have support in real life.
April 21, 2016 7:17 pm at 7:17 pm #1149379Jewish ThinkerParticipantApril 25, 2016 9:28 pm at 9:28 pm #1149380Jewish ThinkerParticipantNot all have corrections, usually bec. I am unsure if they are right or wrong.
Some may find this ironic but part of this post ( part about why some of my posts may not have corrections) is mistaken, I believe.
What I meant when I said it was mistaken is that the issue is more complex than I originally realized.
I was working on those posts and I think I solved the issue, B”H.
April 25, 2016 10:14 pm at 10:14 pm #1149381Jewish ThinkerParticipantAnyway, getting back on topic, DY, I thought pigs’ milk was illegal in the US?
April 25, 2016 10:26 pm at 10:26 pm #1149382lesschumrasParticipantThen what do piglets drink?
April 25, 2016 10:48 pm at 10:48 pm #1149383☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantHorse milk.
April 25, 2016 11:33 pm at 11:33 pm #1149384apushatayidParticipantThey don’t drink. Pugs have been on the wagon for over a decade now.
April 26, 2016 10:34 pm at 10:34 pm #1149385Jewish ThinkerParticipantI read that pigs are pretty hard to milk.
April 26, 2016 10:37 pm at 10:37 pm #1149386☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantProbably tastes good enough to be worth the effort.
April 26, 2016 11:09 pm at 11:09 pm #1149387Jewish ThinkerParticipantI think camels’ milk in federal law is legal so some states I believe do allow sale of it.
April 27, 2016 12:08 am at 12:08 am #1149388Jewish ThinkerParticipantHas anyone here ever milked a pig?
April 27, 2016 2:48 am at 2:48 am #1149389☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantNo, but I’ve read that they’re hard to milk, here: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/rav-moshe-feinstein-chalav-stam-vomiting/page/4#post-607365, and here: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/rav-moshe-feinstein-chalav-stam-vomiting/page/4#post-608360.
April 27, 2016 3:02 pm at 3:02 pm #1149390Jewish ThinkerParticipantI read it in an article from Rabbi Avrohom Gordimer:
April 27, 2016 3:30 pm at 3:30 pm #1149391zahavasdadParticipantThe reason pigs arent milk is they are not domesticated like cows and do not like being milked, they are alot more wilder and the udders are alot stiffer than a cows udder making it more difficult to milk.
The only non-kosher animals who is sometimes milked is a camel, but you dont really see that in the US, but you might see it elsewhere
April 27, 2016 4:25 pm at 4:25 pm #1149392Jewish ThinkerParticipant(Just to harp back to my posts about fixing mistakes, when I said the issue is more complex I wasn’t referring to a different category of posts, rather discussing the same category of posts [posts that I was unsure were right or wrong]) {Also, “than I originally realized”, I did realize it, should say “than I originally wrote”}
zahavasdad- More from the article:
only commercial camel milk company is based. (This company operates a handful of farms consisting of six camels each.)”
April 27, 2016 6:00 pm at 6:00 pm #1149393rebtsviParticipantAfter Rav Moshe died his son in law did an article about his shver and said the story was not true. Plus numerous members of the Feinstein home recall eating Chalav Stam ice cream at home.
It’s just not true.
April 27, 2016 6:18 pm at 6:18 pm #1149394JosephParticipantThat SIL isn’t reliable regarding Rav Moshe. He’s on the record as citing Rav Moshe for things that turned out to be patently not correct. There’s even a letter from Rav Moshe Sherer calling out numerous instances, both during Rav Moshe’s lifetime and afterwards, when he distorted the view of Rav Moshe. Rabbi Sherer confronted him in Rav Moshe’s presence about one such instance when he had deceived NYS legislators about Rav Moshe’s view, after which Rav Moshe had a letter written on MTJ’s letterhead informing the legislator that his view was the opposite of what his SIL claimed.
April 27, 2016 7:23 pm at 7:23 pm #1149396☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantAlso, yes, there was cholov stam in the Feinstein home. What does that have to do with the story?
April 27, 2016 8:38 pm at 8:38 pm #1149397mw13ParticipantJoseph:
Where can these three letters (“He’s on the record as citing Rav Moshe for things that turned out to be patently not correct”, “There’s even a letter from Rav Moshe Sherer calling out numerous instances, both during Rav Moshe’s lifetime and afterwards, when he distorted the view of Rav Moshe”, “Rav Moshe had a letter written on MTJ’s letterhead informing the legislator that his view was the opposite of what his SIL claimed”) be found?
April 27, 2016 9:06 pm at 9:06 pm #1149398justsmile613Participantall I know is, if Rav Moshe was ok with Cholov Stam in certain situations then I am.period.
April 27, 2016 9:20 pm at 9:20 pm #1149399☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantHe was also not okay with it in some situations.
So you have to contemplate (if you want to follow R’ Moshe) whether your situation is more similar to the ones he was okay with or the ones he was not okay with.
April 27, 2016 9:34 pm at 9:34 pm #1149400JosephParticipantmw13, google: Download Rabbi Moshe Sherer to Rabbi Moshe D. Tendler (18 November 1991)-1
Choose the first pdf. And read the contents of that letter on Agudah stationary from Rabbi Sherer. Rabbi Sherer references the other letter and events.
April 27, 2016 11:32 pm at 11:32 pm #1149401zahavasdadParticipantBe careful any story about a Gadol, you never know if they are true or not even if the reporter claims they are
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