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    MichaelC
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    Why did my former litvak Rosh Yeshiva and many Chasidim pronounce Rashi, by saying Rashe

    It says in all the text’s ??”? not ??”?

    #795046
    yitayningwut
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    The same reason why he most probably pronounces it hama’ariv arovim and not hama’areev aroveem. And ?????? ??? ???? ?????? why rock n’ roll singers pronounce it baybeh and not baybee. It’s the evolution of language my friend.

    #795047
    on the ball
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    Yitayningwut: Your analogy reminds me of Gemara about a Cohen who compared the size of his portion of Lechem Haponim to a lizard prompting Chazal to investigate his Yichus and to discover that he was not a Kosher Cohen.

    #795048
    yitayningwut
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    Are you saying that I’m not a kosher litvak?

    #795049
    ItcheSrulik
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    He’s saying that you are never, ever, allowed to use chol metaphors when describing kodesh. Both my charedi and MO rebbeim disagree, but shoin — he learned differently.

    #795050
    twisted
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    Its the normal “speech impediments” of the Litvaks, especially the “cold” ones, like the pronuciation of shin as sin, and the habit of making first letter alephs into a heh. Perhaps we are descended from the b’nai binyamin. See the source in Shoftim 12/6 and the Radak there.

    #795051
    ItcheSrulik
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    twisted: The litvishe gentiles also have the same “speech impediments.” I have classes with a couple.

    #795052
    on the ball
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    ItcheSrulik – Don’t put words in my mouth. I never said ‘never ever’. I only said what Gemora it reminded me of and the implication is clear – that you shouldn’t use CRUDE and DISRESPECTFUL chol metaphors for Kodesh. Not sure I believe your Charedi and MO Rebeim disagree with a mefurashe Gemora

    #795053
    yitayningwut
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    ItcheSrulik-

    Lol 🙂

    on the ball-

    Nu nu, I don’t think it was crude and disrespectful.

    #795054
    metrodriver
    Member

    Itche Srulik happens to be right about this; The accent. The way we pronounce words, (Yidden or lhvd”l Goyim) is regional. People who live in proximity to each other learn (albeit subconsciously) from each other and imitate a form of speech. Interestingly. Some areas in Pennsylvania have what is very similar to the British accent. Or a Texan native will have a different way of pronouncing words than a North Easterner. Similarly. Let’s imagine a Hungarian native trying to have a conversation with a Litvak. (In Yiddish.)

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