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I asked this question in a different thread and did not receive a response,
Why do some people pronounce all Tav’s with the hard sound “t” and never use the “s” sound. As far as I remember (correct me if I am wrong) Tav is pronounced /t/ when there is a Dagesh Kal in it and pronounced /s/ when there is not. It’s possible that I’m wrong but I think that there is no Dagesh in the Tav in the words kesuba, Shabbos, Mitzvosai (AKA Ketuba, Shabbat, Mitzvotai) just some words I came across recently.
I know this is the Israeli accent but that is not the correct havara (at least by ashkenazim.
Anyone?
You have answered your own question. Tada. It is not the correct havara for askenazim, but it is for sefardim. They say Ketuba, Shabbat, Misvotai, etc.
Israel decided to go with the sefardic accent for Modern Hebrew so you hear that pronounciation a lot, even from Askenazim (though not in tefilla).
squeak,
Thanks for your response. I am aware that Israel uses the sfardy havara for the language. But why do American, usually the more modern, schools use that havara? I believe they use it at all times, to learn chumash etc. Are they trying to teach the hebrew language as opposed to Lashon Kodesh?
thank you anon for this
any ideas on what to do for a teenagers birthday? do you still make a birthday bash or just by a cake? espically if it comes out on chanukah
Anon for this and Brooklyn 19 are both right. THANK you, Brooklyn 19 for posting the poem. It is as beautiful now as it was in my memory. Also, thanks to Anon, because I also loved the other poem. I am recalling it even as I am typing. Frost was a wonderful poet. I remember having to memorize them both and recite them in class (with expression), as part of our final grade. My teacher really liked my interpretation, and gave me an A+ (I am not meaning to brag, reading poetry with feeling was always an ability with which I was blessed). I likewise loved Shakespeare.
don’t have internet: i’m shocked there’s no post limit for a thread!!! like after 500 i doesn’t disapeare the thread!!!
BTW, dont have internet, I think I had the honor to be post #500. Isn’t there some kind of award for something like that??? I noticed that the thread said “500 posts” and my username was listed as the last post! Wow!
intellegent –
There were actually 53 posts that got deleted, so you would be number 553. sorry to burst your bubble.
Surfer, of course you make a bash!!!! especailly on chanukah, make sure to send her a “Happy Birthday from the CR”
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Thanks for your response. I am aware that Israel uses the sfardy havara for the language. But why do American, usually the more modern, schools use that havara? I believe they use it at all times, to learn chumash etc. Are they trying to teach the hebrew language as opposed to Lashon Kodesh?
I can’t say for sure, but I think that the answer is yes. In my mind, MO and Zionism go hand-in-hand (someone please correct me if I’m wrong). Therefore, they have adopted Modern Hebrew as a replacement for Loshon Hakodesh.
MR. Moderator – you have saved copies of the posts that didn’t make it???? oh wow i’d love to hack into there…
:}
YW Moderator-99,
How can you do this to me?!!
squeak,
That is rediculous. That is what I thought. But it really doesn’t make sense. Whatever.
brooklyn,
another advantage of being a mod, you get to see the ones that were NOT fit to print. 🙂
yeah i know… oh well.
YW Moderator-99,
btw, what’s the difference!
SO! I was #500 from the posts that were NOT deleted! NOW i feel better!
Intellegent: You have a penchant for replacing “i” with “e”. How do you decide when? Why isn’t it “redeculous”?
squiak, why do you cari about intilligint’s pinchants for switching thi littirs i and e?
charlie brown,
Thanks so much. I know you probably knew that all those i’s don’t really belong there but you really helped me out with my embarressment. I don’t know how I can ever thank you!
charlie – how long did it really take you to type up that last post? honestly! lol
intellegent,
lol. I’ll think it over and try to help you find a way to thank me, lol.
brooklyn,
lol. only an hour, why?
i dunno. i can’t type words and purposely misspell them. it would take forever for me to do what you did. i’d have to go back and switch all the “e”s to “i”s and vice versa…
brooklyn19
Wow! You actually admit to something being hard for you? (Even if it is only that you can’t misspell!)
intellegent
dictionary.com:
mis?spell
? ?/m?s?sp?l/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [mis-spel] Show IPA Pronunciation
to spell incorrectly.
who’s the one who can’t spell??? ahem…
brooklyn,
actually to be honest I had the same problem as you so I typed it correctly in notepad and then did a replace all to change every e to i.
lol good job!
well we grew up in the era of computers, none other then spell check was created. never was a need to learn to spell again…
spell check doesn’t proofread, though. you gotta do it yourself. and the grammar check is totally unreliable.
that is true, but we are talking about spelling now…
brooklyn19,
“intellegent
dictionary.com:
mis?spell
? ?/m?s?sp?l/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [mis-spel] Show IPA Pronunciation
to spell incorrectly.
who’s the one who can’t spell??? ahem… “
1. I wrote that you have a hard time misspelling not spelling
2.I guess I’m slow, I don’t get what you’re getting at.
lol i thought you italicized that to tell me something was wrong or something. lol maybe i’m the slow one.
the award for the blogger who started the most popular thread, with the most posts, over 500 posts, goes to……………….drum roll please!!!
& it goes to………dont have internet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
congrads to you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
asdfghjkl
which poster gets the award for most exclamation points?
drum roll, please……
that would be me asdfghjkl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DHI:
You should post another 461 comments.
It should be very easy for someone as yourself. 🙂
asdf r we related?
asdfghjkl and lkjhgfdsa: you must be fraternal twins :}
twins where do you guys live?
By the way this topic i think by record has the most comments ever in the cr.
lkjhgfdsa,
Do you live in dnaleri?
the day is young, however, as of now, this is my vote for the post of they day. YW Moderator-72
It’s just asd switching to lefty. Let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth.
mod72: What does that mean?
it was clever, it made me smile and I know it made a whole lot of other people smile also. YW Moderator-72
Moderator-72,
Wow! Thanks!
I take that as a compliment! (is that complement, squeak, jk!)
You really made my day!
where is the ywn editor today? I haven’t seen much of him?
i am not asdf!!! i actually live in a very normal place—i astually share a computer w/ other coffee room users who have been posting for a few months and they thought i was crazy for picking such a name—-but maybe ill move to ireland
I agree. Shut down the CR for the rest of the day, because it’s only downhill from here.
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