Rabbi Wallerstein Shiurim on Rap Music

Anyone who sings rap music is called singing goyish music just was changed to Jewish words and is bringing a taam of Tumah into k lal Yisroel

Thank you MA for answering the op’s question and not going off topic thank you thank you.

I would like an explanation from the poster calling himself Mashiach Agent about why rap music is assur.

You forgot Wagner, who was a vicious Anti-Semite

I dont know if Beethoven or Mozart were anti-semites or not

Felix Mendelsohn was a min

Classical music can be pretty fast and loud

Ride of the Valkyries by Wagner or

The Overture to Carmen by Bizet

1812 Overture by Tchaikovsky (With Canon)

Are fairly loud and very upbeat tempo

One aspect:

A good chunk of vocal music today – be it rap, pop, or something else – has some rather empty, negative, or contrary-to-Torah values. Rap music is certainly (no statistics here – I don’t think it’s necessary) of the more explicitly risque/vulgar variety which I think conjures the “red-line” much more.

Another aspect:

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We are influenced by what we hear or see and all that comes with it whether we are aware of it or not. If one spends time around the street, they come to look more and more like it regardless of if it is conscious or not. That applies both to vocal or non-vocal music.

With regards to Mozart: I don’t think there are cultural norms for people who listen to or are even involved in classical/orchestral/symphonic music.

Assur? I’m sure fingers can be pointed to things like “bechukoseihem” and the ilk, but I think it can be useful to start with the a seicheldige understanding.

I can see how the poor man’s words were taken so out of context.

I don’t think context would fix some of what

some people don’t like about that speech.

With regards to your quote of my post, I believe you

left out the phrase “I believe” before I made that statement.

True. Care to correct the post, mods?

even if your audience likes what you say, not everyone will and those people can put the video on youtube making you look like a fool

True, but in this case, the video was put up by TorahAnytime.

? You wrote above – I don’t see it on TorahAnytime.

Mods, can I ask you to edit the title

of that speech out of my earlier post?

As for the video being on YouTube, TorahAnytime is an independent

website, not a YouTube account. I had assumed the account with the speech belonged to TorahAnytime, but it seems likely that it is not. The point still stands, because the account is mostly a repository for Torah lectures – the speech wasn’t put up in a negative context.

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I think I’m looking for a different shiur where R’ Wallerstein does this all-out “rap”

(I wondered, seeing as this imitation was just a second or two long.)

If you do come across the one you were looking for originally,

please let me know – I’m curious.

I do know with certainty that the stuff that blasts out of cars driving down my street from time to time cannot be compared even to old rock music.

That being what forms many people’s impression of non-Jewish music

is really annoying. The music listened to by people who listen to music

at a volume that probably damages their hearing over time, and who

are rude enough to blast their music like that, is obviously not going

to be the most tasteful stuff around (although popular music taste

in general is pretty bad – a really good piece of music hitting #1 on

the standard charts would almost be a surprise at this point).

But, given that there are strong grounds on which to argue that

we shouldn’t be listening to non-Jewish music, it’s hard to really

consider it a bad thing…

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I once heard that you can determine a song’s

status by how one shakes to the beat.

Can uniform response to rhythm in humans be assumed?

(Won’t some of us respond differently than others?)

FYI Bas Kol is not Rap, its more a pop music

Was there a post about this “Bas Kol” that was deleted?