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    SQUARE_ROOT
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    Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz was the founder of Torah U’Mesorah
    and became principal of Yeshiva Torah Vodaas in year 1921 CE.
    His career in Yeshiva Torah Vodaas lasted 25 years.

    He was known as “the premier architect of Torah in American history.”
    He left this world in 1948 CE at the age of 62 years.

    The quotes shown below are from his English-language biography.

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    QUOTE 1:

    In a conversation with the Satmar Rav, shortly after his talk
    on the U.N. declaration, Reb Shraga Feivel [Mendlowitz]
    was subjected to the sharpest criticism for his “Zionist leanings.”

    Later he told his family, “I could have answered him
    [the Satmar Rav] Chazal for Chazal, Midrash for Midrash,
    but I did not want to incur his wrath,
    for he is a great man and a tzaddik.”

    He added with a twinkle, “And besides, he has a fiery temper”…

    SOURCE: Reb Shraga Feivel: the life and times of
    Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz, the architect of Torah
    in America (chapter 26, page 335 to 336)
    by Yonoson Rosenblum for Artscroll / Mesorah, year 2001,
    based on Aharon Sorasky’s Shelucha DeRachmana,
    ISBNs: 157819797X, 9781578197972, 1578197961, 9781578197965

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    QUOTE 2:

    Once full-scale war broke out after the State of Israel
    declared its existence on May 14, 1948 [CE]
    Reb Shraga Feivel’s [Mendlowitz] thoughts
    were never far from Eretz Yisrael.

    A group of students saw him outside the Mesivta building
    one day, talking excitedly with Rabbi Gedaliah Schorr
    and gesticulating rapidly with the newspaper held in his hand.

    “If I were your age,” he [Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz]
    told the students, “I would take a gun and go to Eretz Yisrael.”

    SOURCE: Reb Shraga Feivel: the life and times of Rabbi Shraga
    Feivel Mendlowitz, the architect of Torah in America
    (chapter 26, page 338) by Yonoson Rosenblum for Artscroll / Mesorah,
    year 2001, based on Aharon Sorasky’s Shelucha DeRachmana,
    ISBNs: 157819797X, 9781578197972, 1578197961, 9781578197965

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    QUOTE 3:

    After hearing a well-known Rabbi give a fiery derashah
    against the secular Jews in Eretz Yisrael, Reb Shraga Feivel
    [Mendlowitz] expressed his displeasure with the tone of the speech.

    “True, is it hard for us to reach the ahavas Yisrael of
    Reb Yitzchak Levi of Berditchev,” he said, “but we are
    commanded to keep far away from hatred of our fellow Jews.”

    SOURCE: Reb Shraga Feivel: the life and times of
    Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz, the architect of
    Torah in America (chapter 16, page 229)
    by Yonoson Rosenblum for Artscroll / Mesorah, year 2001,
    based on Aharon Sorasky’s Shelucha DeRachmana,
    ISBNs: 157819797X, 9781578197972, 1578197961, 9781578197965

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    QUOTE 4:

    Hearing his criticisms of Zionism, someone once
    told him [Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz],
    “I too hate the Zionists. They should be cursed.”

    “Chas v’chalilah (Heaven forbid)!” Reb Shraga Feivel [Mendlowitz] interjected.

    “To the contrary: They should be blessed,
    along with all those who are building up our Holy Land.

    I only pray that they observe mitzvos.
    But chalilah to curse or hate them.
    They are tinokos shenish’bu (people who never
    received a Jewish education and so were led astray).”

    SOURCE: Reb Shraga Feivel: the life and times of
    Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz, the architect of
    Torah in America (chapter 16, page 228)
    by Yonoson Rosenblum for Artscroll / Mesorah, year 2001,
    based on Aharon Sorasky’s Shelucha DeRachmana,
    ISBNs: 157819797X, 9781578197972, 1578197961, 9781578197965

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    QUOTE 5:

    “In 1948 [CE], after the Arabs attacked the newly declared
    Jewish state and soldiers were falling on the battlefield,
    several Roshei Yeshivah taunted Reb Shraga Feivel [Mendlowitz]
    for having recited the blessing [HaTov VeHaMeitiv].

    Reb Shraga Feivel turned to Rabbi Aharon Kotler,
    who agreed with him that the U. N. resolution
    [to establish a Jewish State in Eretz Yisrael in year 1948 CE]
    was indeed worthy of the blessing [HaTov VeHaMeitiv].”

    SOURCE: Reb Shraga Feivel: the life and times of
    Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz, the architect of Torah in America
    (chapter 26, page 331, footnote 3, heard from Rabbi Nesanel Quinn)
    by Yonoson Rosenblum for Artscroll / Mesorah, year 2001,
    based on Aharon Sorasky’s Shelucha DeRachmana,
    ISBNs: 157819797X, 9781578197972, 1578197961, 9781578197965

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    PS: If you doubt that any of these quotes are accurate,
    then I invite you to get your hands on a copy of the book,
    and turn to the chapter numbers and page numbers
    that I mentioned for each quote.
    You will then see that everything I said here is true and accurate.

    #2293189
    Haimy
    Participant

    What’s your point? That not everyone agreed with the Satmar Rov Zatzal?

    #2293182
    SchnitzelBigot
    Participant

    IIRC, during a parade for the yeshiva they waved the Zionists’ flag (with luchos instead of the Magen Dovid).

    #2293184
    ujm
    Participant

    Reb Shraga Feivel (who preferred to be called as “Mr. Mendelovitz”) held the Satmar Rebbe in a very high degree, and always considered him to be of the foremost Gedolei HaDor.

    #2293276
    somejewiknow
    Participant

    is the purpose of this to soften the hearts of jewish hatred towards the zionists and their evil army?

    #2293283
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    QUOTE 6:

    “And he [Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz] expressed
    amazement that anyone who considered himself
    a good Jew could possibly go seven days without
    thinking of some way in which he could improve
    the lot of settlers in Eretz Yisrael
    or otherwise improve the Land.”

    SOURCE: Reb Shraga Feivel: the life and times of
    Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz, the architect of
    Torah in America (chapter 25, page 322)
    by Yonoson Rosenblum for Artscroll / Mesorah, year 2001,
    based on Aharon Sorasky’s Shelucha DeRachmana,
    ISBNs: 157819797X, 9781578197972, 1578197961, 9781578197965

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    QUOTE 7:

    “He [Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz] once said that
    even though Eretz Yisrael is controlled by non-religious
    and anti-religious Jews, one must still admit the
    good that HaKadosh Baruch Hu had done,
    in causing the gates to the Land to be open
    once again to Jewish immigration.”

    SOURCE: Reb Shraga Feivel: the life and times of
    Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz, the architect of
    Torah in America (chapter 26, page 331, footnote 4,
    heard from Rabbi Yehoshua Schiff)
    by Yonoson Rosenblum for Artscroll / Mesorah, year 2001,
    based on Aharon Sorasky’s Shelucha DeRachmana,
    ISBNs: 157819797X, 9781578197972, 1578197961, 9781578197965

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    QUOTE 8:

    “… he [Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz] also explained why
    the secular Zionists might have been chosen to play
    such a fateful role in the history of the Jewish people.

    In every Jew, he explained, there is a spark of kedushah
    (holiness) – dos pintele Yid – which is his inheritance from
    the Avos [Patriarchs]. Every Jew is both an individual
    and as part of the collective body of Israel.

    As long as he does not sever his bonds to the nation,
    that little spark is not extinguished,
    no matter how numerous his sins.

    Divine Providence might have arranged that the secular
    Zionists play a major role in the redemption of Eretz Yisrael
    precisely in order to maintain their connection to Klal Yisrael.”

    SOURCE: Reb Shraga Feivel: the life and times of
    Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz, the architect of
    Torah in America (chapter 26, page 335)
    by Yonoson Rosenblum for Artscroll / Mesorah, year 2001,
    based on Aharon Sorasky’s Shelucha DeRachmana,
    ISBNs: 157819797X, 9781578197972, 1578197961, 9781578197965

    #2293284
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    I recall seeing the story about his discussion with the Satmar Rav in a Jewish Observer article many years ago.

    As to the fact that Reb Shraga Feivel held the Satmar Rav in high esteem – it is possible to respect someone but still not agree with him. The fact that history has moved on to the point where many of the views then expressed are either no longer relevant in current circumstances or shown to be wrong by subsequent events does not lessen the greatness of those who expressed those views. They were human, and reached their conclusions based on their understanding of the facts as they saw them.

    an Israeli Yid

    #2293286
    ccb45
    Participant

    This converstaion should be over since we’re dealing with Gedolei Yisroel. As soon as we have an input, it’s trouble. Who are we to agree or disagree with any of these gedolim? We bacame very sure of ourselves and haugthy. No bittul

    #2293292

    I think the message here is that one should quote both opinions when discussing the issue. You can’t imagine Gemora written with just Beit Shammai, do you? Those who – knowingly – quote just one side – are not worthy discussing with.

    #2293300
    emesayid
    Participant

    I happen to be related to Rabbi mendelovitz and always held in high esteem many of his teachings .however I was also very close to the Satmar rov for many many years I feel is an absolutely disgrace in 2024 to quote Rabbi mendelowitz’s quotations if they were actually made by him. There is absolutely no comparison in greatness geoines and kedusha between Rabbi mendelowitz and the satmar rov. If some of those quotes are actually authentic and true it just comes to prove that he had a very restricted understanding of the greatness of the Satmar rav. In 1948 there were many many great Jewish leaders much greater than Rabbi mendelovitz that made the same mistake and thought that they had a grasp of the real situation that befell kllal yisroel. Like many great Jewish leaders at that time were hoping that The establishment of the Medina perhaps could develop to be a step closer to the end of the galus. However now in 2024 it is so evident that no one had the foresight that the Satmar rov had and none of the other great leaders were even remotely on the level of understanding of what transpired to Kllal Israel. Rabbi M. Thought that he has answers to refute Satmar rovs opinion. He wasn’t the only one that thought that thought there is another valid side to the coin all the doubts and all was finally answered in the monumental work of his safer Ve’Joel Moshe where he brings down many many of the different views and proves the fallacy within them. Bottom line as a relative of Rabbi M. I feel that it is a terrible dishonor to him to bring forth quotes that at that time were thought to have any validity to them and now all agree the opposite. My view and feeling is that all those that had any connection and authority to put those quotes in a book in today’s days have to go to his caver and ask for Mechila for quoting him in today’s days without his full permission to do so.

    #2293359
    DaMoshe
    Participant

    emesayid: your profile was created over 15 years ago, and this was your first ever post. Why do I have the feeling that you’re a joseph alternate account?
    Even if you’re not, why should we listen to you? Your post is based on a few things:
    – Your opinion on comparing R’ Mendlowitz to the Satmar Rav
    – Your opinion on R’ Mendlowitz’s understanding of the Satmar Rav
    – Your claim that things are now “evident” which prove the Satmar Rav was right – without any proof

    The fact that you claim to be related to R’ Mendlowitz is irrelevant.

    #2293319
    HaKatan
    Participant

    The quotes are likely nonsense, regardless of in what book they appeared.
    As emesayid pointed out, many people thought that the general political atmosphere conveyed a sign that Hashem was about to bring the geulah. The truth is that He was, except that people prayed for the Zionist State instead, so that’s what He gave them. So sad.

    #2293420
    DaMoshe
    Participant

    HaKatan, since you are obviously a Navi, knowing exactly what Hashem was going to do, please, tell us – what is the significance of the current climate in the world, since the Oct 7th attack?

    #2293419
    simcha613
    Participant

    HaKatan- I mean, I think it’s clear that the Medina is bringing the geulah. The fact is, part of the geulah is kibbutz galuyos. And whatever the strength and weaknesses of the medina are, it’s is clear that they are facilitating a return to Eretz Yisroel to the point where almost half of world Jewry is now in Israel. That’s what kibbutz galuyos is. While it’s unclear from the sources whether Kibutz Galuyos has to be through miraculous means or teva, ultimately, kibbutz galuyos means a return of the Jewish people to Israel which is undeniably happening and facilitated by the Medina and its right of return. I can see no greater evidence of Atchalta LeGeulasa then that.

    #2293393
    yankel berel
    Participant

    The multitude of Gdolei Yisrael did not agree with satmar rav .
    They ALL saw and read Vayoel Moshe and still disagreed with him .
    .
    That should settle the matter.
    .

    #2293447
    ChananiaL
    Participant

    You cannot unconditionally believe everything that is written in books. In this case, these stories probably reflect the biases of the author, Jonathan Rosenblum (who is a columnist for Mishpacha magazine), more than the actual opinions of Rav Mendlowitz zt”l.

    #2293482
    yytz
    Participant

    Everyone should read Reb Shraga Feivel’s biography. It’s moiradik.

    Honestly, I don’t remember anything about Zionism from the biography. I loved it for other reasons.

    Reb Shragal Feivel was very special and we can learn so much from him.

    #2293522
    LerntminTayrah
    Participant

    The Satmar Rebbe zt”l certainly didn’t hold of everything in the Divrei Yoel, since he tried twice to settle in Eretz Yisroel and allowed municipal voting in 1955.
    The Satmar Rebbe zt”l was one of many gedolim in that tekufa. there was no bas kol declaring him more authoritative than the other gedolim at that time. Certainly other gedolim can argue on him.

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