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Why is everyone so worried about Gehennom? So it’s uncomfortable, but it’s a cleansing process. Isn’t kareis much worse?
The fact that kareis is worse doesn’t make gehennom any better.
Torah: It’s really hard to get Kareis. For almost everyone Frum, Kareis isn’t really a worry.
The Radzyner writes: If someone could choose between having an easy life with Gehenom at the end, or a life of suffering, and Gehenom lessened one tiny degree, he would choose to suffer all his days on this earth rather than the full punishment in the next world.
Sam, I was going to say that, but at least you let me explain.
Kareis is only for the more chomur issurim, and only if they are violated intentionally.
Gehinnom is even for (relatively) slight, and/or unintentional infractions.
I know, what’s the big deal with tying your tooth to the door? It’s a necessary process. Also, a kidney transplant without anesthesia is worse.
What is Kareis? People say it’s dying young or no olam haba. Is it either one? Or a machlokes? Or both?
All three. Young, without children, Olam Habaless.
There are different types of Kares. There is Kares, Ariri, Misa Bidei Shamayim, and double Kares.
I know, what’s the big deal with tying your tooth to the door? It’s a necessary process. Also, a kidney transplant without anesthesia is worse.
She already explained that she wasn’t saying gehenom is pleasant, just wondering why it’s more talked about than kareis.
I don’t know about you, but these topics are usually not on my Top Ten Hit List of Conversation. You all must have some very interesting table discussions…
I would have to say that the tiny bit of information I have about punishment after death is a very large part of my decision making on a daily basis.
Here’s another question: The mesorah is that, for all except the most irredeemable reshaim, the neshama is only Gehinnom for 11 months. Is there duration in Gehinnom? Can an eternal neshama experience the passage of time. For that matter, is there time in Gehinnom?
if i get exact punishment for what i did, then its totally worth it! ill do whatever i want, and my neshama will burn. what do i care?
How soon would you like to find out?
PM, exact punishment doesn’t mean exact pain to balance the pleasure you received for the aveirah; it means precicely what you deserve, which might be significantly more.
I have heard it said that the real gehinom is experiencing the pain that your actions caused another person. If you were a really bad person with an evil tongue that could be a very long time in gehinnom!
Rabbi Wallerstein has some terrifying shiurim on this topic… Gehinnom is infinitely worse than anything anyone here could imagine. Sneak peek- there’s a gehinnom of burning cold ice that is considered worse than the fire one. Gehinnom isn’t just about physical pain, like someone here mentioned- its more spiritual pain than anything else. Oh, and heres the worst part (in my opinion)- whatever limbs you used to do aveiros are swollen in a very obvious way so that everyone can see it. The shame must be indescribable!Imagine walking around in front of everyone and them knowing every sin that you’ve ever done! And those limbs are painful too. Also, you can be hung by the limbs that you used for aveiros. BTW, about the swollen limbs- if you had a connection with Hashem then you get something to cover your swollen body with so that others cant see it. Whatever, theres a lot more tosay on this topic but I’ll be nice and spare you the gory details. Suffice it to say- gehinnom is something you should really be concerned about.
Obviously there is no body in Gehinnom and everything is spiritual.We have no limbs in the next world, we are all neshomos. And quite honestly, we do not know of anyone who has ever gone there and come back to report what it is. Thus I have only the tools I have been given in this world to work with. I am a parent and I know how deeply I love my kids and that I would never hurt them. However in order to be mechanech them I have punished them. I am a mere human being. Therefore I believe that Hashem’s love for me is infinitely greater than anything that I can comprehend and that whatever is in store for me is due to Hashem’s great love for me. I try not to anger Hashem and to sincerely repent when I have done something wrong. . When I have a punishment from Hashem, I have emunah that it is exactly for my personal benefit. And if I have not done a teshuva gemura before my death, then wherever I am sent to to complete that is also for my benefit. I think we need to remember that Hashem loves us so much! Living a life of fear of gehinnom is not true Yiras HaShem. Yiras Hashem to me is fear of disappointing our Father, Our King that we failed to follow the Torah’s instructions.
I don’t believe so. The reward for kibud av v’em is arichus yomim, but the converse is not kareis. IIRC, the only two mitzvos aseh for which one vcan get kareis (for not performing them) are milah and korbon Pesach.
the-art-of-moi: I liked the way Rabbi Akiva Tatz described it much better. Seems much more realistic than what you’re saying… I don’t remember exactly but in my own words it’s like when you find out you did something stupid and feel like banging your head in the wall repetitively. The truth of the Torah becomes obvious, and you feel like “banging your head in the wall” forever for every time you didn’t follow it. Except there’s no wall or a closet to hide in.
I have little fear of Gehennom — I accept it. But I do fear eternal Gehennom. Thus I must not commit many sins considered “normal” by Reform and Conservative Jews.
Gamanit, that does sound better… Ok, you’ve just convinced me to buy Rabbi Tatz’s book “The Thinking Jewish Teens Guide ToLife” or something like that.
Torah
No. Positive. Check first mishna in kerisos to see what is chayyiv kareis. However I did hearthat any pain one causes their parents Hashem will pay back in kind via their their own children so if you gave your parents a run for their money prepare to have the the same.
beginning of mishpatim it says if someone hits his parents hes chayiv misah (i think, too lazy to check)
PM, would you apply tat same logic to give enjoyment to your stomach while having your head whacked?
Torah
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