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January 29, 2013 8:15 pm at 8:15 pm #608005WIYMember
If you have to buy him he isn’t really your friend and when you stop paying premiums the friendship lapses so whats pshat in knei lcha chover pay him for life?
I really want to know pshat.
January 29, 2013 11:36 pm at 11:36 pm #925719ChortkovParticipantSecond column at top of page.
January 29, 2013 11:43 pm at 11:43 pm #925720ChortkovParticipantThe Pirush of R’ Ovadia MiBartenura says:
???? ?? ???. ?????? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ????? ????? ???? ???? ??? ????? ????? : ??? ??? ?? ???? ???? ??? ?? ?? ???? ???? ????? ????
— Although a friend who is there for the money is not a friend, the ?????? ?????? says the reason that you need a friend is:
I guess even if you pay him you can be ????? that.
January 29, 2013 11:45 pm at 11:45 pm #925721WIYMemberNobody?
January 30, 2013 12:00 am at 12:00 am #925722ChortkovParticipantThanx!
January 30, 2013 12:34 am at 12:34 am #925723oomisParticipantThe word “knei” also means to acquire, to make a kinyan. When a man marries a woman he makes a kinyan, he is acquiring a wife. She is not being sold to him (though I bet a wife or two has felt that way in the past…). So one should regard a good friend as he does an important and crucial acquisition in life.
I had another thought as I was typing. Hopefully I have the spelling correct (if not I am sure someone will immediately inform me of same…). The word “kaneh” in Hebrew, means something upon which we lean, i.e. a cane (cognate if I ever heard one). Derech Agav, I believe Egypt is referred to in Navi as a “kaneh ratzutz (meaning an undependable ally, though appearing at first to be reliable).”
A true friend is one upon whom we can lean, in times of tzoros. As I said, if its root is spelled the same way as “knei” with a koof and not a chof, then perhaps I have a little pshat of my own here.
January 30, 2013 1:49 am at 1:49 am #925724Torah613TorahParticipantI’ll pay you to be my friend.
Maybe ????? ???? ???? ?????…
so it may make them be friends with you even if they wouldn’t otherwise.
January 30, 2013 1:55 pm at 1:55 pm #925725ChortkovParticipantThe word “knei” also means to acquire, to make a kinyan. When a man marries a woman he makes a kinyan, he is acquiring a wife. She is not being sold to him (though I bet a wife or two has felt that way in the past…). So one should regard a good friend as he does an important and crucial acquisition in life.
Actually, it is a ?????? in the ??????? (throughout ???????, also on :????? ?) how far the ???? goes, and is there a monetary ownership that a man has in his wife.
But you are right, that ??? does not mean necessarily to BUY, but means more accurately acquire.
January 30, 2013 3:58 pm at 3:58 pm #925726R.T.ParticipantKinyan actually means to acquire, not to buy/purchase. The ‘proof’, although not a proof is the situation that arises on Shabbos/Yom Tov where let’s say Reuven comes to Shimon’s house, and Shimon gives Reuven a shirt to wear back home, as Reuven’s first shirt is ruined from lunch (first shirt now has no value). Although we don’t initially make kinyanim on Shabbos, the acquisition is nevertheless valid.
January 31, 2013 11:21 am at 11:21 am #925727ToiParticipantfor everything else, there’s mastercard.
January 31, 2013 6:13 pm at 6:13 pm #925728☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantToi, that post was priceless.
January 31, 2013 6:25 pm at 6:25 pm #925729rtParticipantperhaps it’s lashon “kineh”(jealousy), find a chaver with qualities YOU (lcha) want to emulate
January 31, 2013 7:54 pm at 7:54 pm #925730☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantRt,
Kinah is with an Aleph (although it is possible they’re still related).
January 31, 2013 8:35 pm at 8:35 pm #925731WIYMemberToi
True, friends always demand cash.
February 1, 2013 5:07 am at 5:07 am #925732☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantHow about Pay Pal?
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