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There is nothing in science that can explain anything before their alleged big bang. In other words, matter cannot come from nothing. And time always marches on. The only possible explanation for “before time” and “before matter” is some sort of metaphysical force.
I can’t believe nobody said the one word answer- Torah.
Our entire nation SAW and HEARD the word of g-d
The Torah, to those who study it, is clearly and unequivocally Divine.
This answer is also the best way to shut up (albeit not satisfy) the atheist. We do not all need to be recruitment officers.
Baruch sheamar vehaya haolam.
Look at insects under magnification.
Look into a large telescope and ponder the vastness of the universe.
There are many who have seen that which posits a creator, but for many reasons, they may not give that inescapable idea a voice.
Anybody here ever read Dan Brown’s “Angels & Demons”? There is an idea there (pure apikorsus) which reconciles the fact that there is a God and the Big Bang theory, making the two not a contradiction.
Something about that the theory is based on the fact that a blast of energy can create matter – the source of energy being God, and God used this scientific method to create the world.
Shame its not true.
yekke,
How do you know? Who said that the world could not have been created with a big bang? It doesn’t say in Berieshis how the world was created.
2) You can’t prove God. That’s the essence of faith. We have 100% faith, but once you take it all away you don’t have any need for faith, or religion.
Why cannot this be true, yekke 2? We have limited understanding of what Yesh m’ayin means. Maybe the ten Maamaros with which Hashem Created the world were what we ignoramuses can only understand as “The Big Bang Theory. At the end of the day, Hashem Created the universe, and it doesn’t matter HOW!!!
My quick read of the posts reveals only 2 that come close to a sound Torahic answer: Charliehall, who notes that HaShem’s existence is a principal of faith, which some of us recite every morning. This is consistent with Rambam, who authored the 13 principles of faith. frumnotyeshivish gave a good answer by referring to a book by Rabbi Keleman, “Permission to Believe.” Neither of these answers is really one sentence, but never mind that.
Many answers attempt to bend Torah into a quasi-scientific notion. That is utterly unsound and disrespectful of the Torah. HaShem does not need rational proof and does not want us to pursue rational proof of His existence. He wants our faith.
All the proof we need is in the Shemah.
Many answers attempt to bend Torah into a quasi-scientific notion. That is utterly unsound and disrespectful of the Torah. HaShem does not need rational proof and does not want us to pursue rational proof of His existence. He wants our faith.
No, Jesus just wants your faith. Hashem wants you to rationally know.
Welcome to the brave world of Christianity.
nfgo3, what does the Shemah prove, and how?
It’s extremely dangerous to try to prove anything because you then open yourself up to having your proof discredited.
If you believe as a matter of faith, then it’s irrelevant about proofs being shown as extremely flimsy.
I don’t really think you can prove the existence of G-d. If you believe, you need no proof. If you don’t believe, you will always find a way to disprove the “proof” that is offered by others. L’havdil, it’s kind of like trying to prove to cigarette smokers that they are polluting the environment are opening themselves up to potentially fatal illnesses. Those of us who believe that, don’t smoke. Those who don’t believe, refuse to believe, even in the face of the irrefutable evidence in that regard. People believe what they want to believe, whether it’s Hashem or something else. Until something happens, that it, that changes their lives. There are no atheists in foxholes.
Childbirth and daily sunrise are from the Creator.
To quote Blaise Pascall’s response to this very question posed by King Louis XIV
“The Jews,your Majesty,the Jews”
The miraculous existence of the Jews certainly proves that Hashem has Chosen us.
Oomis: you said “it’s kind of like trying to prove to cigarette smokers that they are polluting the environment are opening themselves up to potentially fatal illnesses. Those of us who believe that, don’t smoke. Those who don’t believe, refuse to believe, even in the face of the irrefutable evidence in that regard.”
I don’t think smokers don’t believe that it’s dangerous. They smoke despite their belief. Perhaps because people like yourself use “polluting the environment” as a reason to try to control their behavior. This is wrong both factually and morally. The only moral justification to involve yourself with helping a smoker quit is if you’ll be effective and you care for the person, not the smoking.
Using silly reasons to ineffectively further a personal vendetta is far less rational than engaging in an enjoyable habit with health risks.
Popa, I am so glad you brought that up. Somehow, this nonsense is gaining ground among our ranks, that Emuna means to not think it is rational. In other words, not Veyadaata Hayom, only Vehe’emanta Hayom.
The survival of the Jews is actually a great falsifiable proof. Only, I hope they don’t try it again.
As I said back ☞ THEN ☜, there is no take-a-look proof, but there is a bundle of pointers. This is the balance Hashem left, that those who are serious can find Him and those who want to laugh it all off will be able to do so.
Just like we know that in general, Hakol Mishamayim Chutz Meyiras Shamayim, this is true in this regard as well. The mental abilities don’t affect the outcome of your findings as much as your sincerity in finding the true answer.
Truthsharer: You are right, I was wrong to say that the Shemah proves the existence of HaShem. The Shemah is a statement of absolute faith.
“Frumnotyeshivish – I don’t think smokers don’t believe that it’s dangerous”
You are IMO fooling yourself if you really believe that. Maybe SOME smokers actually are fully cognizant of what they’re doing, and are willing to take their chances, but the vast majority of smokers whom I have seen interviewed about their “rights,” pooh pooh the whole notion (and that is part of the addiction). They will rationalize it every which way they can, to prove to themselves (certainly not to the rest of us), that there is no harm either to themselves or to the rest of the world around them.
YES, they ARE polluting the air that we non-smokers have to breathe. There are many, many types of air pollution. Smoking should not have to be one of them. Let them smoke in a bubble, if they wish, and breathe their own stale, stinking, recycled air as much as they wish. I won’t say a word. (though I hope they wise up sooner than later. Emphysema or lung cancer are not pretty ways to die).
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