Proper hashkafa about Mandela

Churchill and Ben Gurion allied with Stalin, yet I hear no objections here. And Stalin was far, far worse than anyone Mandela ever embraced.

There is a hypocritical double standard here.

“Churchill allied with Stalin”

Try again.

He allied himself with the victims of nazi aggression

This was his speech:

All this was no surprise to me. In fact I gave clear and precise warnings to Stalin of what was coming. I gave him warnings, as I have given warnings to others before. I can only hope that these warnings did not fall unheeded.

All we know at present is that the Russian people are defending their native soil and that their leaders have called upon them to resist to the utmost.

Hitler is a monster of wickedness, insatiable in his lust for blood and plunder. Not content with having all Europe under his heel or else terrorized into various forms of abject submission, he must now carry his work of butchery and desolation among the vast multitudes of Russia and of Asia. The terrible military machine which we and the rest of the civilized world so foolishly, so supinely, so insensately allowed the Nazi gangsters to build up year by year from almost nothing-this machine cannot stand idle, lest it rust or fall to pieces. It must be in continual motion, grinding up human lives and trampling down the homes and the rights of hundreds of millions of men.

Moreover, it must be fed not only with flesh but with oil. So now this bloodthirsty guttersnipe must launch his mechanized armies upon new fields of slaughter, pillage and devastation. Poor as are the Russian peasants, workmen and soldiers, he must steal from them their daily bread. He must devour their harvests. He must rob them of the oil which drives their ploughs and thus produce a famine without example in human history.

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The Nazi regime is indistinguishable from the worst features of Communism. It is devoid of all theme and principle except appetite and racial domination. It excels in all forms of human wickedness, in the efficiency of its cruelty and ferocious aggression. Noone has been a more consistent opponent of Communism than I have for the last twenty-five years. I will unsay no words that I’ve spoken about it. But all this fades away before the spectacle which is now unfolding.

The past, with its crimes, its follies and its tragedies, flashes away. I see the Russian soldiers standing on the threshold of their native land, guarding the fields which their fathers have tilled from time immemorial. I see them guarding their homes; their mothers and wives pray, ah yes, for there are times when all pray for the safety of their loved ones, for the return of the breadwinner, of the champion, of their protectors.

“I see the 10,000 villages of Russia, where the means of existence was wrung so hardly from the soil, but where there are still primordial human joys, where maidens laugh and children play I see advancing upon all this, in hideous onslaught, the Nazi war machine, with its clanking, heel-clicking, dandified Prussian officers, its crafty expert agents, fresh from the cowing and tying down of a dozen countries..

Charlie: I’m surprised at you, giving Mandela a pass on his anti-Israel, pro-terrorism stance. It is against daas torah!!!!!!!

(Maharat Weiss had a column on shabbos in Forward calling Mandela out on this, and writes about how he protested Mandela when he visited NYC.)

Stalin killed more civilians than Hitler did. About 13 Million Civilians were victims of the Nazis.About 20 Million civilians were victims of Stalin.

If you blame WW II on the Nazis then Hitler could be at fault for 50 Million. In other words BOTH were bad and Stalin WAS an Anti-Semite, Ever hear of the doctors Plot for example?

Lady Thatcher, who died in April aged 87, has come under fire for her resistance to tougher penalties on the South Africa regime during the 1980s, and faced accusations it was a selfish move to protect Britain’s business interests.

But Mr de Klerk, who along with Nelson Mandela oversaw the transition to ANC rule, said Thatcher and then US president Ronald Reagan had “helped to buy essential time for South Africa”.

“It is a pity that the Conservative Party has subsequently apologised for Thatcher’s opposition to sanctions,” he added.

Writing in the Times, Mr de Klerk argues that the handing over of power to the African National Congress (ANC) in the 1980s would have resulted in fighting and “the imposition of a communist regime” by the party’s left wing.

“Margaret Thatcher understood this,” he wrote. “Although she was a consistent critic of apartheid, she had no illusions about the challenges that we faced.

“She doggedly resisted demands for more sanctions and always gave me and our negotiating partners strong support for the achievement of a genuine non-racial constitutional democracy,” he added.

“In all likelihood an ANC victory before the mid-1980s could have been achieved only after a devastating racial war and would not have resulted in a genuine constitutional democracy but in the imposition of a communist regime.”