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We need A heimishe university that teaches computer science we need more options with top professors why is there only options of accounting we need more high level educational institutions
Doesn’t Touro College do what you are demanding?
We need CWR posters to define what they mean by a “heimeshe” university. College is not a kugel. What specific attributes aside from the option of gender-separate classes are you talking about??
In my recent experience, the best set up is 2-4 friends going into a reasonable quality online college and studying together. So, you get a half-price (online v. on campus) school with kosher kitchen and Jewish environment. Maybe there should be a sign-up sheet for people to join.
Quite ironically, the most sanitary courses are online, where you don’t have an institution and the presence of authority figures shaping your mind and getting inside your head.
Aside from that, there isn’t, as far as i know, a “heimishe” college that isn’t without its apikorsim on staff.
As ujm said, ever heard of Touro College? Literally don’t understand what people have against it.
I went to a Catholic College and I turned out fine.
YU and Touro were set up to meet the demands for a frum college.
Given the increase of distance education, it seems there is little need for a frum kid to go to goyish university if they don’t want to (and there are many advantages of going to a goyish university if you are planning to work among goyim).
For all those people talking about “college professors filling your head with schmutz”, have you been to a college in the last, I dunno, 50 years? Sure, if you’re doing the standard post-high school thing, sleeping on campus, and taking all recommended Freshman course work, you’re going to hit some of the worst aspects of secular society. But that’s all optional! Pick any career that a frum person can go into, and there’s guaranteed to be a track that lets you take only the required courses and have nothing to do with college social life.
The main reasons for a frum college these days (which we already have in Touro and Skokie) is seperate classes and working around Yomim Tovim. I’m not sure what a Chareidi college will accomplish that we don’t already have (other than some idiots trying to burn it down, as what happened when Touro tried to open in Monsey in 1995).
commonsaychel: You’re sure that isn’t a tzeilim on your necklace??
Yseribus: There’s no way to avoid the rampant pritzus on any American college campus.
The tzelim was on campus and big deal I see that is Catholic Hospital as well.
“There’s no way to avoid the rampant pritzus on any American college campus…”
So true. Its mega-rampant. Wherever you look, there are students running to class, throwing frisbees on the quad and engaged in passionate political debate about which conservative speaker to boycott. Much better to skip college entirely and find a beschert with wealthy parents to maintain the lifestyle you’d like to get accustomed to.
Desparate is correct: YU doesn’t allow enrollment in a secular degree program unless you are fully participating in the full yeshiva program. There are some narrow exceptions for individuals to “audit” certain secular courses that are approved on a case-by-case basis, but these are not credit-granting degree programs.
Desperate> you list a few good online colleges that offer b.s. in computer science?
I did not research CS per se. ASU in general is mid-level solid program with huge population and reasonable programs. Work for Starbucks or Uber and it is even free (read fine print). Look for ones that offer same programs (and diploma) for both offline and online programs, those are less likely to be scams. Some public colleges are a good deal, even when paying out of state tuition (online should be close to half cost of offline). U of Florida, U of Oregon, U of Indiana sounded good in some specialties I looked at.
Many of them take some number of transfers and CLEPs. There are cheap reasonable places that are good to do basic classes and transfer (for example, U of Maryland, global school, or something like that).
not online, but I heard good feedback on improving YU CS program, although they seem to be strict on transfers and yeshiva classes.
Avira > Quite ironically, the most sanitary courses are online, where you don’t have an institution and the presence of authority figures shaping your mind and getting inside your head.
Indeed, not sure why “ironically”. Still, some maturity and parental support is required. Show interest in the kid’s studies and peruse some of the material. For a thinking student, it is usually enough to point what is silly there and with encouragement, he’ll be showing what he discovered to avoid himself.
computer science is an abstract degree like mathematics and essentially useless much more prudent would be a course in programing outside of traditional college setting ie boot camp or vocational school. Morever all of this exists in the frum world
@leiby As someone with a computer science degree who works in computer science, the difference between a computer scientist and a programmer is like the difference between a professional chef and a guy who chops onions.
Desperate:
Sorry, I’ve given enough personal info away on this anonymous message board. It was a top-tier university that has a college geared towards night school, so I was able to learn during the day and take courses a few times a week.
Desperate @nussen
Again, I don’t like giving out personal information. Not only am I uncomfortable with people in real life who know my internet IDs, but I find that when people on social media know a little about your life, they make a lot of assumptions and treat you differently. “Oh, you’re Modern Orthodox. Oh you grew up in Bnei Brak.” and veiter and veiter and veiter noch.
Just be aware that there are real benefits to “in-person” classes if that is an option for you based on your location, finances and professional aspirations. Not all colleges are “party schools” and most students are serious about their education versus worrying about their itinerary for bein hazmanim (aka spring break). While you can certainly obtain excellent training online, the top professors and degree programs still involve in-person learning.
Much hatzlacha in whatever choice you make.Yseribus: What is your line of work and does your type of position generally earn significantly more than a computer programmer?
@ujm Computer scientist. And yes.
for in person, the best idea is to go to college while living at home, so one does not have to hang around the campus after hours. Evening departments, as YS mentions, are often a good deal – students are more mature.
For online classes, you don’t need to settle for a local community college. There are places like MIT open courses, coursera that should have recording of very good professors on advanced topics.
I agree on CS – this generally means “instructing computer” to do something. This ranges from making screens for ACA users to making airplanes process streaming sensor data in real time.
If you learn just programming, then this is one type of jobs, depending on what language you learn. If you study CS, then you can be a system designer. Better yet, learn something else – science, engineering, statistics, health – then, you can be the person who converts ideas from that field of study into computers.
Yseribus: What is your day to day function employed as a computer scientist?
@ujm Depends on the project. Usually it’s a long term thing. Sometimes it’s working out how something needs to be designed. Often it’s debugging, trying to find out why something is broken. Generally it involves a lot of discussion, a lot of programming, and a lot of running things over and over again to figure out how they work or why they don’t work.
Someone once told me that computer science PhD students can potentially command salaries of 3 quarters of a million.
@Marxist According to you, shouldn’t computer science PhD students work for the betterment of society, accepting their role as a public servant with no salary larger than the guy cleaning the floor?
Anyhoo, yes it’s true. People with PhDs can potentially get jobs in Wall Street and related industries where they work on developing algorithms and systems to squeeze an extra few milliseconds off of their competitor to place buy orders.
Sheesh, PhD students can make six figures right out of the gate in the tech field.
Yseribus: A plain and fresh programmer straight out of college with a BS, can make six figures or close to it.
To Gadolha: Maybe I am not as smart as I think. Is the last sentence of your comment about skipping college sarcastic?
Being that my pet thread is getting perverted by rants about college, I have decided to bump this while I wait for my mail to be picked up.
While I’m here, I must point out that while college may be a kugel it can never be considered heimesh by anyone with real standards.
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