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I cannot help but marvel at this piece of news.
How do two inmates escape such a prison?
It makes no sense at all.
Finally, these prisoners have nothing, no money, no car, no passport…why cant police find them??
This is so unreal, not sure how they were able to pull off all the planning preparations and the actual work without this getting out.
interesting that each day the news has something to add, just to make sure that this stays on the front page, so people dont forget about this.
Why are you so quick to assume that they have no help on the outside?
The Wolf
In the news they said that there were no video cameras.
what I find amazing, that they needed a tools and a detailed plan. they probably had outside help yet the plan did not leak.
This morning the news is reporting that the women prison employee who was suspected has admitted she gave them the power tools and had planned to be their getaway driver, but got cold feet at the last minute.
WolfishMusing, even if they had one (or two) helper(s), how much is that worth in the scope of such an escape.
In terms of the escape itself, probably not much. In terms of being able to lay low after the escape? A great deal.
I wonder if the jail is not full of videocameras like every other highly secure place (airport). With a video camera you can go back and see everything.
That’s assuming that the cameras are actually recording (as opposed to only being used for live surveillance).
The Wolf
WolfishMusings, what do u think is a bigger deal here, the escape iteself, sawing out of prison or laying low.
I don’t understand your question. You asked:
Finally, these prisoners have nothing, no money, no car, no passport…why cant police find them??
I posited that they may be getting help from the outside, which would definitely help them in laying low and avoiding detection. Your question (quoted above) does nothing to rebut my answer that they may be receiving outside help.
In any event, the bigger story now is the fact that they’ve avoided detection for so long.
A recent article in the Washington Post on 6/8/15 (sorry… the mods won’t allow links, but you can Google it easily enough) reported that, according to the Bureau of Justice, in 2013, there were 2001 instances of AWOL/escapee prisoners in the US — including 22 in New York alone — and that number is actually lower than in previous years. So the escape itself is really not all that remarkable.
On the other hand, most escapees are captured within hours. A Business Insider article (6/10/15) noted that, for most prisoners, their escapes lasted less than six hours. The longest escape in the last decade was for three days. Sweat and Richards have been out for five days so far. So, at this point, I’d have to argue that the length of the escape has eclipsed the escape itself in terms of newsworthiness.
The Wolf
In terms of laying low, how much outside help can they be getting, enough to challenge the police???
The main problem with escapees, once they’re out, is that they still need food, a place to live, etc. All that requires contact with other people who may recognize the escapee.
On the other hand, if you have someone on the outside whom you can trust (who won’t hand you over to the police), they can go and get you everything you need. True, you end up more or less a prisoner in your hiding place, but it probably beats prison.
Remember, it’s not like the cops can actually go house to house and demand to search it. If the escapees have someone to support them, and don’t do anything stupid to advertise their location, they can probably hold out for quite a while.
The Business Insider article I mentioned above made the point that most escapees don’t have a plan beyond the actual escape itself. Therefore, once they’re out, there have nowhere to go and usually end up getting caught shortly thereafter. However, with proper planning (and, remember, these two prisoners have demonstrated that they have the capability of planning) and help on the outside, you can hole up for quite a while.
The Wolf
There have been numerous prison escapees that spent decades on the lam. Sometimes living openly under an assumed identity.
And Joseph is an expert on assumed identities.
😉
In order for this to succeed, they need to either split up or one escapee will need to kill the other.
or one escapee will need to kill the other.
Huh?
I wonder if the jail is not full of videocameras like every other highly secure place (airport). With a video camera you can go back and see everything.
That’s assuming that the cameras are actually recording (as opposed to only being used for live surveillance).
The jail is most probably full of video cameras that are recording. However, not all prisons have cameras inside the prison cells, just in hallways, main rooms and exterior perimeters. So prisoners can be in there cells and do things without being monitored by video.
From what we know, an “external breach” was found on a street approximately 500 feet (150 m) south of the prison wall; they had tunneled out of the facility with power tools.
By tunneling out into a pipe and going 500 feet past the prison wall they were able to avoid detection from prison cameras.
The real question is how did they get electricity to power the electric tools and how did no one hear the noise.
SiDi™
For all we know, the escaped prisoners may have access to a computer and may be posting here in the Coffee room with us.
Shhh…you weren’t supposed to tell them.
An interesting article from NY Times discussing many security lapses by the Clinton prison was published on Sunday 6/21. Here is a list of the lapses (compiled by Business Insider):
Nightly bed checks were not performed properly.
Underground tunnels, through which Sweat and Matt escaped, were not regularly inspected even though they used to be inspected once a week. One current officer said the last inspection he could recall was in October.
No one was inside two of the 35-foot-high watch towers on the south side of the prison, nearest to the manhole the prisoners fled out of. For years, they had not been staffed overnight but since the escape, the towers have been staffed around the clock.
Some security posts were no longer filled despite modest increases in personnel.
In recent years officers stopped patrolling the catwalk behind the cells where it is believed the two escaped murderers found some of the tools they used to escape.
The inmates may have found tools left by contractors on the catwalk.
Although forbidden by prison rules except when using the toilet, putting sheets across cell bars to obstruct viewing was frequently allowed.
The prison does not have video cameras on the cell blocks.
For those interested in this story, the full NYT article is worth checking out.
It makes no sense at all. except to publicize how awful prison conditions are, and how people will do anything to obtain their freedom, even if they have to live in a forest or inside some cave.
They have more freedom than being locked in a 14’x14′ cage 20 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year.
Absolutely. And anything beats prison. The last high profile NY escaped prisoner, “Bucky” Phillips, was on the lam for five months. After he was caught he said those were the best five months in his life. (Not to glamorize it, as he murdered a State Trooper while loose, but from his perspective living in the forest beats living in jail.)
“For all we know, the escaped prisoners may have access to a computer and may be posting here in the Coffee room with us.”
I am one the the escapees. I had to kill the guy who used this computer and found this site open on his browser.
Does anyone know if it was assur for me to break out of prison? Is there a daas yochid I can be somech on? Or do I have a chiuv to go back? I just did a teshuva gemura for that last murder, so Im all good in terms of that. Time is of the essence.
Amazing that in a society where there are cameras mamish everywhere, and the government is constantly spying on our emails and telephone conversations, and you can see every place on the planet using Google Earth, etc., that these criminals could have escaped.
Amazing that in a society where there are cameras mamish everywhere,
Despite your assertion, they are NOT “mamish everywhere” — especially if you’re not in a major city.
and the government is constantly spying on our emails and telephone conversations,
They’re not actively listening to every phone call and reading every email. They just can’t. And, if you don’t use the phone or email (and these guys are probably not using phones and almost certainly not using email), then they can’t catch you that way.
and you can see every place on the planet using Google Earth, etc.,
1. You can’t see people using Google Earth… yet.
2. The sattelites aren’t recording every spot at every minute. Any given location is probably photographed no more than a few times a year.
that these criminals could have escaped.
I believe you meant “avoided detection” rather than escaped, since none of these factors would affect their actual escape. In any event, I’ve shown how they are negligible factors even in locating these felons.
The Wolf
They must have had more assistance that we dont know about.
Another guard was arrested and we know at least 4 guards were under suspicion…
SiDi™
I will try to help the marshals & NYSP catch these guys. If I’m successful, I’ll come back here & post it!
Friday, 5PM — Richard Matt shot and killed.
The Wolf
I still don’t understand what cherrybim meant by:
In order for this to succeed, they need to either split up or one escapee will need to kill the other.
From what the Police are saying, it sounds like the exact opposite:
Police hoped the solo escapee would finally succumb to the stress of little sleep, scant food and biting bugs.
Sweat could have an even tougher time now without someone to take turns resting with and to watch his back, Clinton County Sheriff David Favro said.
See the full article here: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/322413/police-surviving-escapee-could-face-a-harder-time-alone.html
(YWN/AP)
The police now (reported over the past few hours) aren’t sure whether the second escapee was together with the one who was shot. They’ve expanded significantly the search area.
I’m sure he’s ‘sweat’ing by now…
Second escapee shot and captured alive.
Which 2 people will replace them in the 15 slots of the most wanted in the USA?
Now how much did this whole thing cost the taxpayers???
SiDi™
The same two they replaced two weeks ago.
Will NY State be sued by David Sweat for being shot & injured? After all, they could have shot a tranquilizer.
Anyone still following this story?
SayIDidIt™
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