Presidential Pecking Order

Thanks for sharing.

Joseph,

The only problem with #4 is that Nixon was not President in 1967. Johnson was. Nixon was elected in 1968 and began serving in 1969. Perhaps you meant that Nixon sent emergency arms during the Yom Kippur War in 1973. Even then, he and Kissenger had to be begged to send them – only the threat that Israel would arm and use nuclear missiles got Nixon to send the weapons.

You neglected to mention that Ford pardoned Nixon, which was a huge mistake. Nixon should have been prosecuted.

Eisenhower is viewed as a weak President. Being a “Victorious General of Allied Forces” does not make him a good President.

Chag Samayach!

Oy, Joseph. Is negative media attention really such a key indicator of a good president? I doubt that even your beloved talk radio brainwashers would agree with you there. I find your list amusing, particularly the placement of JFK.

This is why “for the people, by the people” scares me so much.

Presidents, once assasinated, are seen like many posthumous speeches/awards ceremonies, where the person could not have done a thing wrong in his life.

about W, when 9/11 happened would anyone have belived that no terrorist would have attacked us in *7* years??? I certainly thought that we would be the subject of more attacks. Nuclear, biological, chemical….

And we are WINNING the war in Iraq, the surge is WORKING (but the liberal media wont admit it…Obama, in his most recent position on Iraq-which contradicts his earlier statements-, said the war is working…

and many of the issues like the economy and the high budget on the military is due to CLINTON’s administration (who should be in jail for federal crime of perjury)

jospeh: you better watch out. people who cross the clintons wind up dead!

James McDougal – Clinton’s convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr’s investigation.

Mary Mahoney – A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

Vince Foster – Former White House counselor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock’s Rose law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.

Ron Brown – Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.

C. Victor Raiser II & Montgomery Raiser – Major players in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.

Paul Tulley – Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton as a “Dear friend and trusted adviser”.

Ed Willey – Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

Jerry Parks – Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park’s son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

James Bunch – Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a “Black Book” of people containing names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.

James Wilson – Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.

Kathy Ferguson – Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson died in May 1994 was found dead in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she was going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

Bill Shelton – Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.

Gandy Baugh – Attorney for Clinton friend Dan Lassater died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

Florence Martin – Accountant sub-contractor for the CIA related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. Died of three gunshot wounds.

Suzanne Coleman – Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

Paula Grober – Clinton’s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.

-Danny Casolaro – Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparent suicide in the middle of his investigation.

Paul Wilcher – Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 “October Surprise” was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

Jon Parnell Walker – Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993 Was investigating Morgan Guarantee scandal.

Barbara Wise – Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

Charles Meissner – Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

Dr. Stanley – Head Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton’s advisory council personally treated Clinton’s mother, stepfather and brother.

Barry Seal – Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, Death was no accident.

Johnny Lawhorn Jr. – Mechanic, found a check made out to Clinton in the trunk of a car left in his repair shop. Died when his car hit a utility pole.

Stanley Huggins – Suicide. Investigated Madison Guarantee. His report was never released.

Hershell Friday – Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.

Kevin Ives & Don Henry – Known as “The boys on the track” case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. Controversial case where initial report of death was due to falling asleep on railroad track. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

**Source: http://members.tripod.com/~rcjustice/pres.html

Do you really believe the Clintons had all those people killed? Really really? Because if they did, why didn’t they just get rid of Obama the same way? And Ken Starr, for that matter?

Sometimes I wonder how people can believe nutty anti-semitic conspiracy theories, for example that the Jews control the financial markets (as in _The Protocols of the Elders of Zion_) or that the Jews caused the 9/11 attacks. Besides an unhealthy dose of anti-semitism, adhering to these theories requires one to believe the most unlikely, improbable ideas. But when I see the beliefs held by posters to this board, whom I’d expect to have above-average intelligence, I no longer wonder about this.

anon for this: do i really believe the clintons had them ALL killed? no, but i find it very ironic that everyone who starts to have information against them that may incriminate them, they wind up dead. how many people do you know who was killed or committed suicide. they know over 25!! don’t you think that is a little suspicious?

and btw, us controlling the financial markets isnt too nutty. we were the bankers in europe. this is a fact. now there was a reason for it. it was because the goyim didnt allow us into many fields of work, and they knew if we were the bankers, they can renege on their loans, and no one would enforce it. the 9/11 attacks is a ridiculous one. and we had a huge part, and still do, in the movie making in the us, and in the newspapers as well. in ny alone, the times, sun (olev hashalom), and the daily news are all run by jews. (yes, the idiots running the times are jino’s, jews in name only!) if anything we should be proud! we did this all in 3-4 generations!

First thing- I have actually heard someone claim that the Jews all were involved on 9/11… and that the buildings were imploded! A reason they might think so is that they dont want to blame the poor, underprivileged, discriminated against palestinians whom they love so much.

Second- I am not saying that the Clintons murdered all of these people. Maybe conspiracy to commit murder? Assisted suicide? Convinced them that if they dont commit suicide their lives will be destroyed??? They had something to do with at least a few of them… how can someone commit suicide with bullets to the back of their head? and a few bullets at that?Once they shot once, they would be unable to shoot again! I dont belive in many conspiracy theories, but still- there is something to be said about knowing over 25 people who were killed or commited suicide! I dont think I know one person who was murdered on the streets or was a victim in a “random shooting” or commited suicide! And they had close connections with over 25!

Mariner, I am sure that “anon for this” isnt as oblivious to facts as you might think. Of course he realizes that Obama is a full fledged marxist- it is so obvious! “redistribution of the wealth” means welfare and starts to give me the shivers….communism….in America…after the cold war…

havesomeseichel: by the way, I’m a woman.

Regarding Henry & Ives, the boys on the track, you are correct in stating that Dr. Fahmy Malak ruled that they overdosed & fell asleep, and that a grand jury concluded he was wrong & the boys were dead before they were place on the tracks. But if you’d carefully read the article on snopes, you’d have seen that Katherine Brightop testified on this matter before a US magistrate, She said that her ex-boyfriend, Paul Criswell, told her that he & three others beat the boys to death & placed the bodies on the track because the boys tried to steal cocaine from them. So their deaths were, indeed, drug-related, just not Clinton-related.

Please read the article carefully & post which deaths, specifically, you still think are suspicious.

havesomeseichel, don’t worry, I wasn’t offended. I just wanted to make sure to mention it because it seems that many people on this board prefer to know the gender of the people they’re addressing, and I don’t want people to think I’m misleading them.

If you’d care to respond to my previous post, I’d like to know what you think.

I would put Bush Jr. quite close to the top, probably number two.

Clearly Truman is #1. He won the war with Japan, stopped Soviet-supported aggression in Korea, created the Marshall Plan and NATO which stopped Soviet expansion in Europe, and recognized the State of Israel. He was helped by some sympathetic Republicans who didn’t believe in obstruction for obstruction’s sake.

Clearly Bush 43 is at the bottom. He got the US into two never-ending wars, one of which is now the longest war in US history. He turned a huge budget surplus into a massive budget deficit with nothing to show for it except those wars. His economic policies led first to a huge decline in the value of the US dollar and then a complete economic collapse in his last months in office. And his Road Map for Peace demanded essentially nothing of Israel’s enemies other than words. There were no successes to balance off these disasters.

One can argue about the relative position of most of the rest but it should be noted that the three most antagonistic to Israel were (in order of decreasing antagonism) Eisenhower, Ford, and Bush 41. (Carter’s hostility didn’t manifest itself until after he left office; while in office he was actually better than Ford.)

Johnson gets credit for tipping Israel off to the planned Arab attack in 1967, not responding to the USS Liberty attack, and making Israel into a US ally. I would rank Ford as second from the bottom as he had no foreign or domestic policy successes, was incredibly hostile towards Israel, and offered no response to a terrorist attack carried out on the streets of Washington DC by agents of a hostile foreign government (but one with a lot of apologists in Washington).

Agree with fabie. Now that Bush Jr. retired since the OP was composed, I would place him around second on the list.

As far as being friendly to Israel (a different question than the OP), I would rank Truman, Nixon, Reagan, and Bush Jr. as the four best while putting Jimmy “the peanut farmer” Carter as the absolute worst.

I would say that those peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan are worthless, because all they did was give Egypt an dJordan respectively breathing room tgo build up thdeir weapons and armies after Israel had devestated them.

They did not actually make Israel safer, in any way.

Egypt still has terrorist traffiking and smuggling tunnels bringing in terrorists to Israel and Jordan has had terrorist shooting into Israel from within their territory.

Egypt’s attitude is that in any next wars between the Arab

countries and Israel Egypt will side with the Arabs, and not just “remain neutral”.

Jordan I believe, has the same attitude.

Truman and Nixon were the presidents who helped Israel at the time it was in the greatest danger. Ironically, they were both anti-Semites personally.

ICOT: Which brings up an interesting, and pertinent, side-point. You can never trust a nochri no matter how good a “friend” he is. In front of you they’ll be your buddy buddy, but when the chips are down (and behind the doors of their private clubs) don’t count on them. We saw this vividly during the holocaust when our Polish and German and Slovakian (etc.) “friends” and “neighbors” suddenly turned on us and joined hand-in-hand with the “German enemy” (in the case of the Poland, Slovakia, Ukraine, and Croatia) to liquidate and annihilate the Jews. When the opportunity to kill the Jews presents itself, we have very few “friends” indeed.

(Sure there were notable exceptions, but the population at large was largely in cahoots or at most indifferent to the Nazi’s final solution. And this includes the population of German-occupied countries. The Nazis never had any trouble finding quislings amongst the occupied locals when it came to killing Jews.)

There is no question that Eisenhower was absolutely the most hostile President as far as Israel was concerned. There was a real possibility of a US invasion of Israel in 1956; the US did invade Lebanon two years later.

Lyndon Johnson has not been given credit for the events of 1967. The US had not been an ally of Israel up to then (see 1956), but Johnson tipped off Israel to the fact that Egypt was about to attack, and didn’t respond to the attack on the USS Liberty. Furthermore, his flip to being supportive of Israel (but not settlements) is a policy that has been maintained with no significant change by his eight successors.

Carter deserves condemnation for his repeated unfair blasts at Israel, but those didn’t start until he left office. While President he was actually an improvement over Ford. As mentioned by another commenter, Bush 41’s policy became a lot more benign once Shamir was replaced by Rabin despite the prominent presence of noted anti-Semite James Baker in the administration.

I can only try,

The assassinations of Orlando Letelier, a Chilean exile, and Ronni Karpen Moffit, a US Citizen Jew (not a Chilean citizen) were part of an international terrorist ring called Operation Condor that were supported by multiple authoritarian governments in Latin America. Another target of Operation Condor was Ed Koch. The parallels with what we face today are scary. The Ford administration did squat as a response, fortunately the Democrats had a huge majority in Congress and under the leadership of Ted Kennedy slapped sanctions on the Chilean despotism, which finally gave up power in 1990. (One of the first things that the new democratic Chilean government did was to pay reparations to the US government and to the families of the victims. I look forward to Arab governments doing the same to the families of the victims of the terror they helped to sponsor, but I suspect I may be waiting a long time for that.)

charlie: Finland is by far the exception to the rule.

Bush Jr. was one of the best U.S. President’s, even without consideration of his almost unprecedented strong pro-Israel administration.

anon: The Iran-Iraq war ended long before the 2003 Iraqi War. Ending Saddam Hussein’s rule over Iraq was absolutely the correct, proper, and timely thing for the United States to do. (Even if 9/11 never happened. Don’t forget how many times the U.S. came close to war with Iraq under the Clinton Administration — which at the end of the day didn’t have the necessary resolve to take on Saddam’s repeated provocations.)

I can only try;

So that provision wasn’t added.

Now, what can anyone do if the other Arab states attack Israel and Egypt in violation, joins them anyway?

If Israel had not signed that treaty, the Egyptian economy probably would have collapsed from trying to build up, to keep fighting Israel, and Israel would have had far more land by keeping the Sinai (on maps I have seen it looks to me like at least twice, Israels entire present, land mass).

This was why Sadat said “I feel sorry for Begin, we got all this land back, and all he got was a piece of paper”.

We *should* initiate regime change (with military action if necessary) in N. Korea, if that objective can be achieved. Yes to Iraq and yes to N. Korea. But I think Iraq was a greater priority and it was wise we eliminated Saddam first. America had a greater national interest in ridding the world of the Butcher of Baghdad than in Kim Jung mentally-Ill. Thank You President Bush 43!

And, indeed, President Bush 41 can be faulted for not finishing the job in Iraq when we had a beautiful chance to do so in 1991.