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“In the same survey more New Yorkers (among all, not just Jews) expressed a favorable opinion of President Trump than of New York Mayor Bill de Blasio.“
Well that’s not saying much
A subway rat is probably more favorable than hizzonner
Donald Trump clearly does things favorable to the Jews while not shying away from infuriating the Arabs.
He is not known as a lover of blacks, and he clearly is starting up with south Americans.
To say it’s all part of some huge psychological game where he is doing exactly the opposite of his desires and really he hates Jews and it’s all some grand scheme, is firstly beyond normal belief, requires a pre-conceived belief that he “hates Jews don’t mix me up with facts ”
And secondly would mean if is some sort of genius and great actor! Exactly the opposite of what those same people claim that he is a stupid loose canon.
So trump haters, take your pick
Is he a genius Jew hater?
Or perhaps he really is a Jew lover and he is exactly what he seems to be
Average intelligent shoot from the hip ball it like he sees it and a Jew loverTrump does a favorable act and the recipient is Jewish , ergo he is a oheiv yisroel par excellance.
He insults, attacks and denigrates multiple black people multiple times , ergo he is a racist par excellance.Not so sure he is a racist, he seems more like an equal opportunity attacker.
Jackk,
As an objective logical position you are absolutely correct.
However you need to back up your statement with specifics
For example
Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.
Whether you are nituray karta or ardent Zionist, that is clearly in trumps mind an unnecessary, and very pro Jewish move.
Same for recognizing the Golan as part of Israel proper.
Or Cutting off aid to Palestinian monsters, or mobsters .
Because no matter how morally correct you want to claim these acts are, no other president did them, and all got away with it. If he had no affinity for the Jews he could have easily continued that pattern.His commuting the sentences of rubashkin and yesterday, I personally don’t think it proves it because they are individuals and presidents routinely do such things, but they definitely bolster the narrative.
How about you list a few examples of his
“insults, attacks and denigrates multiple black people multiple times”
So we can see if In truth he is a racistHe insulted so many people, some of them happen to be minorities.
Both right-wing and left-wing can agree that it is possible to pursue certain policies and take certain actions which arguably have a political rationale without engaging in vile, hateful and racist rhetoric. Ronald Reagan consistently acted in accordance with his principles but NEVER got down into the slime and engaged in the personal bullying and obscene racist tropes that the Trumpkopf seems to thrive and and energizes his supporters.
“A new sign was just hung at the entrance to the new settlement named “Ramat Trump” after US President Trump”
Well, Joey, a new sign appeared overnight at the Sewage Treatment Plant just outside Baltimore renaming the facility as the DJT Sewage Plant. The Av H’Tumah has relocated from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave to the shores of the Patapsco River
Katanhadorah,
Exactly, because baltomorons hate trump and are RACISTS (there I said it!)
Would it be racist to say the same thing with Obama in Texas?
@ coffee addict
“Exactly, because baltomorons hate trump and are RACISTS”
You just leveled a prejudiced insult at an entire community based on the comments of one CR liberal.
Non-political….you are so right. The residents of Baltimore are the only Americans who “hate trump”. Otherwise, he is a hero to the residents of all of American’s other cities and towns, especially among minorities (where the Fox News Poll shows his popularity among African-Americans increased by nearly 50 percent in 2 years, 4% to 6%)
Non political,
No I didn’t 😁
Did I say all people that live in Baltimore hate trump? Those that do are baltimorons the rest are baltimorians
@ CA
“Did I say all people that live in Baltimore hate trump? Those that do are baltimorons the rest are baltimorians”
Thank you for clarifying. I retract.
Donald Trump is a true ohev atzmoh
How does he penalize them?
Trump wants to look good in front of the Jews, He encourages anti-semitism by siding with the white nationalists in Charleston, NC and then he does an executive order to stop it.
For the above, I agree with laughing, he is oheiv es atzmo, אוהב את עצמו.
Reb Eleizer
Why exactly does trump have an agenda to ”look good in front of the Jews ” ?
I keep hearing/seeing people express that idea.
I can’t even begin to understand it.
If you told me Biden hates blacks but attempts to make himself look like he loves them, I get it. The black community has a huge sway in politics and if he’d be associated with being anti black it would really torpedo his chances at winning. So there would be motive.What’s trumps motive?
The pro Jewish things he has done have almost all been (in his world view) pro RELIGIOUS Jewish. Many have actually infuriated the ”Jewish lobby ”
Moving the embassy,
Legitimizing the shomron settlements,
Freeing rubashkin
Why would he do any of those if it wasn’t for real????
I’m asking you a favor.
You are not shy to type tons of posts.
Give me a direct answer.
Not an obfuscation not a parallel politician who was similarly accused.
Just a straight direct answer.
My contention?
He was around frum Jews his whole life. Dealt with them.made millions from them. Legitimately likes them. Doesn’t care what anyone will say when he helps themTrump only cares about his own interest, caring less for the country.
klugeryid, you tell me, if he is for the Jews, why does he give the impression that he is with the white nationalists, who hate the Jews?
Reb E – if you were really honest and interest in emes you would hate Clinton (and possibly Obama) for the same reason. If you can support Clinton, then you are really aren’t hating him for this.
(I say Obama cuz he was an arrogant, socialist, jew hater/devoted muslim, not the narcissist the Clintons are)
We know Trump has a narcisistic personal disorder, but is he also schizophrenic?
he doesn’t have to be against anyone to be for anyone. He supports causes, and if the white nationalists are in agreement with that cause, so be it. It doesn’t mean he supports them, it never did. That’s called serving a country. If you support coal miners, you are going against the environmentalists. That doesn’t mean you are against them, it means you are supporting the cause of the coal miners. You can’t support ANYONE or ANYTHING without having someone on the other side. Wanting to keep out illegal aliens (as opposed to aliens) is something the kkk supports, although for different reasons. That doesn’t put him on that side of the fence. And pretending it does it hogwash. And if you want to pretend that he is NOT an ohaiv Yisroel (although I don’t agree with Josephs version of him) than explain the things he did for Jews. No real white supremisist could even hand a tissue to a jew with a runny nose let alone free one from jail.
Obama and Clinton have never shown openly that they support the white nationalist. We don’t have to supporr Israel blindly in everything they do as Trump makes us believe that it is anti-semitism to disagree with them.
if you knew anything about narcissism you would see that Clinton fulfills the DSM criteria much better than trump who is a baal gaivah par excellance (not a compliment, in case you assume it is)
Sorry to disappoint.Syag, We have never had so much violence against Jews. By not standing up strongly against them, you make it look that you approve of it and encourage it.
ok. now I KNOW you are dreaming. If you think that Obama refusing to speak out against terrorists, let alone FUNDING them, and shunning Netanyahu didn’t open that door than you are sorely mistaken. Add to that the reality of when the rising began….during the Obama presidency.
and tangentially the atmosphere of violence belongs to the democrats. Think of all the violence of the anti trumpers that first year. And ask anyone (myself included) if they feel threatened (physically or otherwise) to support trump in a workplace that is strongly liberal. It’s a real problem, hating people and threatening them and berating them for supporting trump is something I dealt with for a year and my brother lives with and friends have complained about. I have NEVER heard of such a thing in the reverse or in a different time. Dont’ pretend acting out aggressively toward people you hate is something trump brought to the arena.
I know about the violence in YWN. I said that Trump should be impeached for idiocy making himself look like he is guilty. Similarly, even though he surely is not an anti-semite, but he makes himself look like one.
Rechavom split up the Eretz Yisroel because he listened to young inexperienced advisers, similarly Trump fired or encouraged his top experienced advisers to resign. How can you make a good decision?
Syag, don’t you remember Trump encouraging people to punch each other and offers to pay their legal bills?
so reb eliezer
you are able to wax poetic but cant answer a straight question
(as to your question, syag did a great job you dont need to be against x to be for y….., only way you could have not known that is willfull ignoranceSimilarly, even though he surely is not an anti-semite, but he makes himself look like one.
Looks like one? He’s probably the most openly pro Jewish public figure we’ve ever seen.
right
so assume that wasnt hyperbole (given that the liberals say he has never paid his bills why is this one different)
how does that make him anti semitic?It makes him anti semitic by supporting anti semites.
you can’t call someone who supports jews an anti semite just because he supports their causes as well. It makes no sense. He doesn’t have to be a jew lover to the exclusion of all else, he has done things that support us and our causes, while also doing so for other groups. And why shouldn’t he?
You ask a good question tho about why he doesn’t defend himself or care how he appears. I think it’s because he is a baal gaiva of sorts who “knows” he’s right and doesn’t care what other’s say.ahhh!
so you are stupid because you support fools?syag, If someone is a baal gaiva, he will do and justify everything to protect himself. לית דין ולית דיין as Louis XIV said I am the state.
“Reb” Eliezer, you are an outright liar. Trump has NEVER encouraged antisemitism or antisemites. It is a blood libel that you knowingly repeat.
He said that in the Charlottesville riot there were good people as well as thugs on both sides. That is a simple fact, and if you can’t acknowledge it then YOU are the one so filled with hate that you are projecting it on others. He never said one good word about the UNRELATED anti-semitic march the PREVIOUS NIGHT.
Milhouse, you have no respect. דרך ארץ קדמה לתורה. See what I wrote the other thread ‘thick or thin’ .
לפני שיבה תקום והדרת פני זקן. Your love for Trump transformed you like him, not caring whom he hurts.
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