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@Joseph
Scooter Libby, who I know from growing up in New Haven is NO American hero. He is a a self-denying Jew. Calling himself ‘scooter’ to avoid his name, Irv Lewis Liebowitz Jr. in order to fit in at all the Protestant WASP boarding schools he went to: such as Eaglebrook and Phillips Andover. Many Russikes in New Haven started naming their sons Jr. to fit in with the long established German Jewish Reform community which named for fathers emulating the protestant settlers of New Haven.
Disbarred for Moral Turpitude. An embarrassment to the New Haven Jewish communityOh ya Trump sure is an oheiv yisrael. Breaking news- after the embassy moves there will be a back stabbing demand of Israel giving over control of 4 Arab villages in East Jerusalem to the palis as one of many steps towards the “peace process” and Arabs capital of Jerusalem. This will be one of many back stabbing decisions.
Just when you thought the 2 state solution was dead and Trump became a Jew, you see it is well and alive in their minds.
Joseph – There is a tefila אתה חונן לאדם דעת.
Icemelter, it didn’t happen. Not only that, it looks like Trump is going to ditch the PA. Meanwhile, his Press Secretary’s father is talking about buying a house in Efrat.
Joseph, then kal v’chomer, ben beno shel kal v’chomer we should add one for the success of the Israeli government. I appoint you to write it.
why because he supports a state that beats up religious jews? i’d say he’s a soneh yisroel
@jnn exactly, thats why Obama and Carter were one of the best presidents we ever had. They knew the truth
“And you know what? In the negotiation, Israel will have to pay a higher price because they want a very big thing, but I took it off the table. … There’s nothing to negotiate but [the Palestinians will] get something very good because it’s their turn next. Let’s see what happens. It’s very interesting. I’ve always heard that’s the toughest deal of all deals — it’s called peace between Israel and the Palestinians.” – The words of a “true oheiv yisrael par excelllence”.
he supports a state that beats up religious jews
You’re referring to the U.S.?
1. Bolton said that there will be no quid pro quo.
2. Trump and Abbas hate each other. Abbas has already said that he will reject any plan.
3. Abbas is going n 83, is in very poor health and has no obvious successor so he is more or less irrelevant from an objective perspective.
4. An op-ed piece recently appeared in the Jordan Times saying that Jordan never really relinquished all claims to Judea and Samaria although the exact border is negotiable.My feeling is that Trump is going to suggest some kind of shared sovereignty between Israel and Jordan. This would benefit the Palestinians (as opposed to the PA) in that they will be much freer and more prosperous than under the PA kleptocracy. It might even be that Trump and Abdullah think that they can co-opt a potential Abbas successor with a governorship.
David, he is referring to the Peleg hooligans.
And then they expect a peace plan.
Peace will not come without concessions!
Chiefshmerel, you are right. the Arabs have to concede that we have the right to all of EY.
Have we added that he closed down the plo office in Washington? He really does seem to be a moshiach agent sent to fight against the anti Torah liberals and bring down yishmael which is the last power before moshiach as foretold in nevuchadnetzars famous dream in Daniel
Trump is Mashiach Agent?
Makes sense.
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/the-hishtadlus-of-voting#post-1179747
In gematria דונלד טראמפ=משיח בן דוד.
Avi
Also = חצי מנה פלאפלUbiquitin, also אור הזהר. I also checked that website.
I haven’t read the OP or any of the replies, nor do I intend to. I found this interesting quotation from R’ Avigdor Miller ZT”L. It’s originally from Awake, My Glory. I found it in Simcha Minute 2.
Whom does the Jew admire?
The genuine Jew looks to the man of character and good deeds, whereas the nations worship the demagogues and all who are skilled in manipulation of words. The Jews are “refusers” [sarvonim]; they see through the verbiage and imposture, and they refuse to accept whatever the charlatans offer.
I don’t think that Trump is a charlatan. He is a showman. Moreover, he knows who elected him and that he has to please them. Even if he is,
what if the choice is between a charlatan and a crime boss? If he is are you saying that he should stuff his support for Israel and appoint enemies of religious freedom to the courts?The idea that Trump is an ohev yisroel because of those 2 things that he did, moving the embassy to Yerushalyim and commuting Rubashkin’s sentence is based on not at all understand how Trump works in regard to the pardon and no understand at to why is so pro Israel.
The reason Trump pardoned Rubashkin was not because he sits and reviews the tens of thousands of petitions for pardons and commutations. Trump has handed out commutations to quite a few people and what they all had in common was that they he was inclined to grant the wishes of the person who asked him to commute somebody sentence. In the case of Rubashkin a child who had months to live appiled to the make a wish foundation which does whatever it can to fullful the wishes of children who are terminally ill. A yidishe boy’s wish was to meet with Trump and ask him to commute Rubashkin’s sentence, so he looked into it, found it to be excessive and so he commuted his sentence. He has done the same for celebrities who asked him to commute other sentences he deemed excessive.
As for the embassy move the last thing on his mind was to do good for yidden. The people he had in mind were Evangelicals who are a major part of his base. They support Israel because they believe only then will there be the war described in the new testament as Armageddon where Yeshu will reappear and the yidden will then accept him. And at the dedication ceremony for the new embassy the main speakers were Evangelical ministers.
When speaking about why Trump’s does what he does it pays to follow read about it in papers that cover him extensively.What about the facts that Trump’ son-in-law, daughter and grandchildren are Jewish and the fact that his late father was a major ohev Yisrael (he prefered Jewish tenants, built the Trump Village shul and donated every year at the dinner, and let tenants the rabbi told him were having money problems slide on the rent)?
I don’t think Trump is actually moshiach as I’ve always imagined moshiach as bieng jewish. However it would seem to be obvious that he is a shliach from hashem to put the world in the matzav of mashiach.
JNN,
yes, but if the state which beats up religious jews would go kaput, so would all the religious jews who they beat up.
Ever thought of that?
besides, when there was a video of that chossid from an illegal hachnosas sefer torah, the cops arrested beat up the chossid and i don’t think anyone would say the cops are wrong.Not that i think the Israeli cops are always right, but there has to be someway to maintain order in the streets without the goverment giving each segment of the public exactly what they want.
Please don’t attack me, just what i wrote.
Rashi says that the function of the shotrim (police) is to beat recalcitrants with clubs and straps. The Reish Galuta’s police even imprisoned people for haughtiness (Baba Kama 59b). However, the Israeli police have a new method. Skunk water, which I’m told leaves an extremely foul odor for days. Even that was the subject of a frivolous lawsuit.
Oheiv Yisroel Par Excellence =Achasverosh?
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Suleiman the MagnificentWhy is trump like achashveirosh?
I don’t think trump tried to kill us?Avi K, 770 is gematria בית משיח on Eastern Parkway. According to the Rambam, Moshiah will be a Jew who observes the Torah.
baishatalmuder wrote “In the case of Rubashkin a child who had months to live appiled to the make a wish foundation which does whatever it can to fullful the wishes of children who are terminally ill.”
That is not the reason he was commuted, it is a very shaky story……
Signifying dramatic shift in policy, outgoing Ambassador Haley says mission will oppose ‘plainly biased’ annual motion after years of abstaining under previous administrations.
If it’s annual what did America do last year? Abstain?
Laskern, Rambam also says that he will be a military man and arise in EY.
He’s friendlier to Jews than a lot of lefty Jews, out there. His grandson is more Jewish.
Trump said if he would run for Israeli PM, he would win.
How about Trump’s latest tweet (that he quickly deleted) that he “wishes Israel would just stop bothering him for cash, and take care of their own problems for once”?
Dayenu
by Rabbi Steven PruzanskyThis is the Dayenu for President Trump, based on the simple realization that there has never been a president as pro-Israel as Trump, and it is almost unthinkable that there will ever be another. Let us count the ways, individual acts for which alone we would sing Dayenu, “it would have been enough:”
If Trump had only ceased calling the Palestinians “refugees,” it would have been enough;
If Trump had only rejected the notion that the fate of the Palestinians is the crux of every conflict in the Middle East, it would have been enough;
If Trump had only halted financial aid to the Palestinian Authority to protest their diabolical “pay to slay” program, it would have been enough;
If Trump had only questioned the wisdom and viability of the two-state illusion, it would have been enough;
If Trump had only devastated ISIS in Syria and Iraq, it would have been enough;
If Trump had only canceled the Iran nuclear deal and committed to thwarting an Iranian nuclear bomb, it would have been enough;
If Trump had only acknowledged Israel’s right to settle throughout its ancestral homeland, it would have been enough;
If Trump had only vetoed every anti-Israel resolution tabled at the United Nations, it would have been enough;
If Trump had only withdrawn the United States from the UN Human Rights Commission and from UNESCO for their vicious anti-Israel bias, it would have been enough;
If Trump had only unequivocally supported Israel’s right of self-defense, it would have been enough;
If Trump had only moved the American embassy to Yerushalayim, it would have been enough;
If Trump had only recognized Yerushalayim as Israel’s eternal and undivided capital, it would have been enough;
If Trump had only formally recognized Israel’s annexation of the Golan Heights, it would have been enough;
If Trump had only routinely denounced the scourge of Jew hatred, it would have been enough;
If Trump had only said – as he did after the Pittsburgh synagogue massacre – that “those who are trying to destroy the Jewish people, we will destroy them,” it would have been enough;
If Trump had only ostracized anti-Israel voices in America, it would have been enough;
If Trump had only warmly befriended Israel’s Prime Minister and its people, it would have been enough.
That is some list, even without reciting the al achat kama v’chama that would marvel at the achievement of each of the above. It is unprecedented in the history of the relationship of the United States and Israel and the president is only two years into his administration. Of course, there have been other presidents who were “pro-Israel,” and others who were less than friendly – but there has never been a President whose support was unambiguous and influenced so many other nations around the world as this President. We should be thankful, and express our gratitude without hesitation.Gratitude is an especially cherished virtue among Jews and particularly on Pesach when we celebrate our nation’s founding. And even if we limit the real Dayenu to the King of Kings, we do acknowledge that, as King Shlomo put it, “Like streams of water the heart of a king is in G-d’s hands…” (Mishlei 21:1).
Sure, he may tweet a bit too much and much too vividly at times, and one can quibble with a questionable policy here and there, and others can criticize a character weakness or two, but we betray ourselves and our deepest values if we do not express gratitude. Only a Trump, not beholden to the tired thinking of all the old Middle East experts and their evenhandedness, their failures, and their anti-Israel animus scarcely concealed, could have pulled this off –a re-alignment of American foreign policy.
And even if Jews are not one-issue voters, it behooves us to at least acknowledge the contrast with prior presidents – some of whom made promises they did not keep, berated Israel and Jews when new rooms were added on to apartments in Ofra and Kiryat Arba, never acknowledged (or acknowledged grudgingly) Israel’s natural, historic, religious and moral right to its homeland, embraced wholeheartedly the chimeras of “land for peace” and the “two state illusion,” urged restraint and proportionality whenever Jews were attacked and wished to retaliate and pre-empt future attacks, and were obsessed with again partitioning the land of Israel and excising its heartland from Jewish sovereignty.
Whether President Trump is guilty of the crime of obstruction of justice or the virtue and natural right of obstruction of injustice (it seems more like the latter) will be settled according to the new American custom: by the media. As for us, even Jewish Democrats should at least acknowledge these blessings and how the current administration has strengthened Israel – and regardless of the fanciful “deal of the century” coming down the road. We should not only see maror but open our eyes to the wonders of a friendship and alliance that has achieved heretofore unimaginable heights.
Sometimes we are tested with an abundance of good and not the incidence of evil. That too is a gift of Providence for which we should be ever grateful.
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