President Donald Trump, Oheiv Yisroel Par Excellence

I am not saying Trump is an anti-semite, but your quote encourages it. Like the difference between the chacham and rashe in the Haggadah. They sound the same, but the Chasan Sofer explains that the chacham uses similar language in order the rashe should think that he has a comrade in wickedness, saying you are a rashe I am also a rashe, and thereby he reveals himself. Similarly, if Trump is not careful with his language, he encourages the white nationalist to think that he is also an advocate of their cause.

To laskern & crazykanoi – Where were you 2 libs when Obama & Hillary did things that weren’t Pro-Judiaism?!?

@Health, that is not an accurate transcript. The following is a transcript, directly from the video.
Reporter: You’re putting what you call the “alt-left” and white supremacists on the same moral plane.
Trump: I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this; you had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs, and it was vicious, and it was horrible, and it was a horrible thing to watch. But there is another side. There was a group on this side, you can call them the left, you’ve just called them the left, that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.
Reporter: You said there was hatred and violence on both sides-
Trump: Well, I do think there’s blame on both sides. You look at both sides, I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And, if you reported it accurately, you would say.
Reporter: ____________________(unclear)
Trump: And you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of a statue of to them, a very important statue, and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.

There you go.
There may have been people who didn’t want the statue taken down that were not neo-Nazis. But the rally was filled with Nazi flags. And they were screaming Nazi slogans. And it was organized by Richard Spencer. Yes, that Richard Spencer. And there were people, if you can call them that, like David Duke and Chris Barker in attendance.

If someone is at a rally, for whatever reason, and neo-Nazis are chanting their slogans, and they stay, they are not a fine person, let alone a very fine person. Period.

We find by the plague of the frogs the view that it was one big frog and the more you hit it , the more frogs appeared. All this might encourage more terrorism. Cutting off aid just gives them validity for their mission that they must fight for their own survival. The Marshall Plan helped against communism.

They were there for violence only.
And why did the town agree in the first place to remove the statue?!?

And the official report on the incident stated that the chief of police directed his police officers to “let them fight”, rather than keeping the protestors and counter-protestors separated.

How did the chief of police respond to the report? He said “I don’t recall saying that” and promptly resigned. Draw your own conclusions from that.

And the town did not agree to the removal of the statues or to the renaming of the city parks. Those actions were taken by a small minority of city council members. (The statues are still there, but were shrouded for several months, until a recent court order to remove the shrouds.)

Health

Hold up

“Trump was being nice by saying there were fine people on both sides.
There weren’t! ”

why is saying that there were “very fine people” among neo nazis an example of “Trump being nice”

Isnt that an example of Trump being Crazy (Or Trump being Trump)?
Please explain to me why Trump saying that some neonazis are “very fine” was a an example of Trump being nice

“And why did the town agree in the first place to remove the statue?!?

Because people find it offensive

“And many people, probably the majority, are offended by the efforts of a minority to “erase history” and police their thoughts.”

Erase history?

Nobody is saying to remove all mention of Lee. He should be remebered in a museum of evil that man did to fellow man.
Putting up a statue of him in public square/park isnt just a historical reminder, it is a glorification.

“The fact that some anti-semites support a position does not make that position wrong.”
True. but if they go to a nazi-rally even just for the cookies they arent “very fine people”

do you ever wonder why there where swastikas at a rally in support of Lee? IF all this was was to not “erase history” what do swastikas have to do with it?

Ubiq -“Please explain to me why Trump saying that some neonazis are “very fine” was a an example of Trump being nice”

Funny, but you have no problem why Trump was saying that some commies are “very fine” as a an example of Trump being nice; about BLM & their left buddies?!?

“Putting up a statue of him in public square/park isnt just a historical reminder, it is a glorification.”

Stop with the Liberal Lies! The statue was put up in a time when Lee was a hero.

health

“Funny, but you have no problem why Trump was saying that some commies are “very fine” as a an example of Trump being nice; about BLM & their left buddies?!?”

Yes,, beacuse soem of those opposing neo-nazis were very fine.

Let’s keep this simple. do you agree with the following statement:

“anybody attending a neo-nazi rally, who realizes he is at a neo-nazi rally and sticks around whther becasue he supports “states rights” likes their shiny bald heads or the refreshments the yare serving, is not a very fine person.”

simple question do you agree with that yes or no.

“Stop with the Liberal Lies! The statue was put up in a time when Lee was a hero.”
Yes that is precisely the issue. do you not know what “glorification” means? it is treating him like a hero

Health

“I personally haven’t thought into it”

so think about it, how long does it take?

“But the President is entitled to his opinon!”
Obviousl;y, though that isnt our discussion. Neo-nazis are entitled to their opinion too. That doent mean they are right.

“Look they did it a long time ago. Stop trying to dictate what people think – it’s called Freedom when you don’t police everything.”

I dont know wha t you are saying.
If there was a statue in a public square of Munich of Hitler left over from 1941 “a long time ago” “when h was a hero” You would aoppose its removal?

(Obviousoly Lee wasnt as bad as Hitel, but you are using silly arguemtns, I’m going to help steer yo uin the rigth direction with extreme examples)

Health, You can support Trump and still criticise him when critiscm is due. Why must you support and defend every disgusting and obnoxious thing he says. His comments on Charlottesville were wrong and indefensible. They should cause every Jewish heart to shudder. Trump is not a great oheiv yisrael but rather a deeply flawed man who plays to peoples base instincts. Even Conservative hero Ben Shapiro criticized Trump at CPAC over his repulsive comments on Charlottesville

“Trump is right! Your assumption that e/o at that rally has to be a sympathyzer for Nazis is absurd!”

I did not say everybody at a nazi rally is a nazi sympathizer. Thus your question “Do you say the same thing about e/o at the left opposition rally – that they are all Commies or Commie sympathyzers?!?” Is illogical

I am saying that they arent “Very fine people”
You disagree and say, as Trump did that some of those at a neo-nazi rally are “very fine people” .
Obviously that is your right. Troubling as your opinion may be.

I’m glad that was cleared up.
Thank you for your time

Health, you write really funny posts. However, don’t give up your day job.

DovidBT – Thanks to your post I looked it up. Basically the left started the whole thing – you can call it a left-wing conspiracy!

That’s exactly what it was, and it still is.

Add to that article the fact, later determined, that the chief of police specifically ordered his men to stay on the sidelines and “let them fight.” And the counter-protestors who were responsible for the violence were given trivial, if any, punishment.

when you are “more on the right” than David Duke it is probably time to rethink your position

An illogical statement. The facts are the facts, regardless of who else may be stating them.

DovidBT
“An illogical statement. The facts are the facts, regardless of who else may be stating them”

What fact? That Donald Trump’s comment was deplorable? I agree that that fact is the fact, but not all here do. And that fact is precisely what we are discussing.

I’ll bring you up to speed, you seem lost

We are discussing whether Donald Trump identifying some neo nazis as “very nice people” was an appropriate statement.
To me it seemed obvious that, that was beyond the pale.
Others disagreed. One fellow went so far to say that it was a bit to the left.

To which I pointed out that David Duke, felt the comment was appropriate
So we are left with David Duke saying the PResident was on target, and a YWN comenter saying it was a bit leftist.

To which I said ” when you are “more on the right” than David Duke it is probably time to rethink your position”

Please Let me know where I lost you.

Do you agree with Donald that some at the neo-nazi rally were “very fine people”?
IF not is that because you think it was a bit to far to he left?

Chiefshmerel -“Healthh, just because you don’t like it doesn’t make it a defamatory conspiracy. It’s all clearly on video.”
Nothing to do with the videos of the incident. If you’re interested and if you’re capable to have a logical discussion, then go to that article and then come back here. Once you read the article, you’ll understand my previous comments!

Health – Please stop trying to confuse the issue. The issue is somple. Would a true “oheiv yisrael” refer to people marching with Nazi flags and chanting Jews will not displace us as very fine people? Would a true “oheiv yisrael” take days to disavow an endorsement from David Duke. Would a true “oheiv yisrael” make racist jokes to the RJC? Would a true “oheiv yisrael” refuse to condemn the antisemetic attacks of his supporters on Jewish journalists? To most thinking people the answer is quite obvious. Trump is not the hero of the Jews that his misguided apologists try to make him out to be.

crazycanoiy -“Health – Please stop trying to confuse the issue. The issue is somple. Would a true “oheiv yisrael” etc. Trump is not the hero of the Jews that his misguided apologists try to make him out to be.”

Why are you addressing your post to me?!? I never called the President an “oheiv yisrael”!

cheiefshmerel -“And you didn’t answer my question. As many of my fellow commenters wrote, not neccesarily was everyone there a neo-Nazi. If someone sees what’s happening by a neo-Nazi rally, and stays to protest with them, they’re not a fine person”

From above:
“Maybe these guys came to demonstrate first.”
So there is No reason for them to leave!

“Do you say the same thing about e/o at the left opposition rally – that they are all Commies or Commie sympathyzers?!?”

“ARE NEO-NAZIS VERY FINE PEOPLE?!”

“When I wrote – Trump is right was about that there were very fine people at that rally. And No, I wasn’t referring to Nazis. Stop with your manipulation!”

I answered both questions above already!
I did you a favor and I repeated them.

I don’t understand,

Was everyone at a Black Lives Matter a racist? Does that make Obama a racist because he had them at the White House?

They chanted “pigs in a blanket cook em like bacon”

chiefshmerel -“the neo-Nazis came first. The entire rally was organized by Richard Spencer (if you don’t know who that is, there’s nothing to talk about”

Stop with your Leftist Lies! It was organized by Jason Kessler from “Unity and Security for America”.
Spencer took advantage of the situation.

On April 22, Trump tweeted:
“Sleepy Eyes Chuck Todd of Fake News NBC just stated that we have given up so much in our negotiations with North Korea, and they have given up nothing. Wow, we haven’t given up anything & they have agreed to denuclearization (so great for World), site closure, & no more testing!”.

“Sleepy eyes” is an anti-Semitic term. Chuck Todd is Jewish. Such an oheiv yisrael…

From the Washington Post:

For his own part, Todd told The Post he didn’t think of the odd nickname as anti-Semitic. “I’ve never taken it that way. If it is a slur, I’ve never heard of it,” Todd said.
Peter Kenez, an emeritus professor at the University of California at Santa Cruz who survived the Holocaust and went on to become a historian of the atrocities he witnessed, wrote about the “sleepy eyes” stereotype in one of his books. However, he thinks it is very unlikely that Trump knows about it, or that he picked up the term from one of his advisers.
Instead, Kenez said, it is probably just a coincidence that Trump uses the same nickname for Todd.
“I doubt that Trump knows what he’s talking about. . . . [‘Sleepy eyes’] was hardly a major feature of Nazi propaganda. It was not something that every German had to know,” Kenez said. Other stereotypes were far more common in Nazi Germany, he said. “I think it is too obscure. Our president has to have it to think up an adjective for everyone that he says something bad about. I suppose nothing else came to him.”