Home › Forums › Decaffeinated Coffee › Popa Is Retarded. By, Popa
- This topic has 84 replies, 28 voices, and was last updated 7 years, 11 months ago by Lilmod Ulelamaid.
-
AuthorPosts
-
December 26, 2011 8:09 pm at 8:09 pm #601316popa_bar_abbaParticipant
The venti size tea comes with 2 teabags. Hence, the additional cost. (There may still be some questions, but my original critique was wrong.)
I think that leaves everyone as retarded. (You are still all retarded because of my other points in that thread. We can therefore reset everyone to normal.
December 26, 2011 8:11 pm at 8:11 pm #1200423TheGoqParticipant“I think that leaves….”
Is that like a pun popa tea leaves??
December 26, 2011 8:26 pm at 8:26 pm #1200424cinderellaParticipantHey! I never get 2 teabags with my venti. I should sue.
December 26, 2011 8:45 pm at 8:45 pm #1200425happiestMemberPet peeve of mine- can we please use another adjective over ‘retarded’. It bothers me when this word is just thrown around.
December 26, 2011 8:56 pm at 8:56 pm #1200426smartcookieMemberAaah… Pops is using his favorite word again. Getting boring.
December 26, 2011 9:10 pm at 9:10 pm #1200427tro11MemberPet peeve of mine- can we please use another adjective over ‘retarded’. It bothers me when this word is just thrown around.
Flame
December 26, 2011 9:28 pm at 9:28 pm #1200428smartcookieMemberHappiest- don’t even bother. Apparently Popa doesn’t have a mentally retarded child and cannot understand why some people would be hurt by this word being thrown around.
December 26, 2011 9:40 pm at 9:40 pm #1200429frumnotyeshivishParticipantRetarted just means slow. First of all this means Popa himself may be (gasp) retarted. Second of all, it isn’t an offensive way of describing a negative attribute, just a negative attribute. If people get insulted from non-insults, that’s their own prerogative.
December 26, 2011 9:44 pm at 9:44 pm #1200430always hereParticipantbut why aren’t the Mods more sensitive to our feelings?! :/
December 26, 2011 11:12 pm at 11:12 pm #1200431popa_bar_abbaParticipantNobody has yet explained cogently what is offensive about the word. I already agreed to stop if someone would.
(If you give me 20 bucks, I’ll take a stab at it.)
December 26, 2011 11:38 pm at 11:38 pm #1200432frumnotyeshivishParticipantInherently insulting things should be banned. It is easier to ban thin-skinned people than it is to ban all the things that insult them. If I decide the name “theyeshivaworld” offends me (which it does a little), should it be changed?
December 26, 2011 11:46 pm at 11:46 pm #1200433YehudahTzviParticipanthappiest: You are right. Derech Eretz, people. There is no reason to use this special needs classification as a pejorative. Think of those who have mentally retarded siblings, children, students. I know I will get flamed for this, but I think it’s just mean and wrong.
December 27, 2011 1:14 am at 1:14 am #1200434flowersParticipantWikipedia:
” The terms mental retardation and mentally retarded were invented in the middle of the 20th century to replace the previous set of terms, which were deemed to have become offensive. By the end of the 20th century, these terms themselves have come to be widely seen as disparaging and politically incorrect and in need of replacement.”
December 27, 2011 1:23 am at 1:23 am #1200435☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantThe terms mental retardation and mentally retarded were invented in the middle of the 20th century to replace the previous set of terms, which were deemed to have become offensive. By the end of the 20th century, these terms themselves have come to be widely seen as disparaging and politically incorrect and in need of replacement.
In other words, any term used to describe something or someone in a negative way will eventually be considered disparaging.
Much like certain terms which describe members of various ethnic groups.
December 27, 2011 1:23 am at 1:23 am #1200436☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantThe terms mental retardation and mentally retarded were invented in the middle of the 20th century to replace the previous set of terms, which were deemed to have become offensive. By the end of the 20th century, these terms themselves have come to be widely seen as disparaging and politically incorrect and in need of replacement.
In other words, any term used to describe something or someone in a negative way will eventually be considered disparaging.
Much like certain terms which describe members of various ethnic groups.
December 27, 2011 1:34 am at 1:34 am #1200437popa_bar_abbaParticipantDY: you mean any word used to describe something which is actually negative will eventually be considered disparaging.
Well, I think that is stupid.
I agree we shouldn’t use words which describe ethnic groups which attained a negative connotation. But that is different, since the ethnic groups aren’t actually bad, they were just considered inferior for stupid reasons, and using those words perpetuates that.
But words for things that are actually negative, it doesn’t make sense to keep changing the word.
December 27, 2011 1:40 am at 1:40 am #1200438☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantDY: you mean any word used to describe something which is actually negative will eventually be considered disparaging.
Actually, I meant a word used to describe something which is seen as negative.
Well, I think that is stupid.
Another good example. 😉
I agree we shouldn’t use words which describe ethnic groups which attained a negative connotation. But that is different, since the ethnic groups aren’t actually bad, they were just considered inferior for stupid reasons, and using those words perpetuates that.
But words for things that are actually negative, it doesn’t make sense to keep changing the word.
I lost you there. You seem to be saying that mentally disabled people are bad.
I know you didn’t mean that, but that’s what it sounded like.
December 27, 2011 1:50 am at 1:50 am #1200439flowersParticipantDY: The term has to keep on changing thanks to people like Popa who use it in disparagement.
December 27, 2011 1:51 am at 1:51 am #1200440popa_bar_abbaParticipantDY: No, I didn’t mean to say they are bad. I meant that it is bad to be retarded. The reason people use the word in a negative way, is because it is negative.
Racial terms have come to have a negative meaning beyond the actual definition. So that calling someone n
doesn’t mean only “Black,” it also means inferior.Retarded doesn’t have a negative secondary meaning. It only means mentally disabled. The negative meaning is the actual definition.
December 27, 2011 2:00 am at 2:00 am #1200441yoyaMemberpopa-
if you’re offending so many people than why don’t you just stop using the term?? even if you don’t understand why it is offensive, obviously if so many ppl. are uncomfortable than something is not quite kosher with it! thank you!
December 27, 2011 2:02 am at 2:02 am #1200442popa_bar_abbaParticipantyoya: nobody was offended yet. Everybody is saying I shouldn’t use it because I will offend someone else. Well, I don’t think there is a someone else.
December 27, 2011 2:11 am at 2:11 am #1200443yoyaMemberPopa- How do you know that someone who doesn’t post is reading it but chooses not to comment. You don’t know that people are not getting offended reading this.
December 27, 2011 2:55 am at 2:55 am #1200444gefenParticipantyoya – do you really think popa cares?
December 27, 2011 2:58 am at 2:58 am #1200445popa_bar_abbaParticipantgefen! Wow, one little snarky comment at you, and we’re back to the old feud? I was kidding! (in the other thread)
Blast it!
December 27, 2011 3:11 am at 3:11 am #1200446gefenParticipantpopa- wow you actually sound hurt. well at least you admit it was a snarky comment. therefore i would have to say that if we’re back to the old feud, u started it. 😉
btw – you haven’t even responded to my last comment on the other thread.
December 27, 2011 4:53 am at 4:53 am #1200447smartcookieMemberPopa- if you don’t understand it yourself, then maybe you should re-evaluate who is the retarded one here…
December 27, 2011 5:00 am at 5:00 am #1200448popa_bar_abbaParticipantPopa- if you don’t understand it yourself, then maybe you should re-evaluate who is the retarded one here…
Blazes! That is the title of the thread
December 27, 2011 5:13 am at 5:13 am #1200449☕ DaasYochid ☕Participantpopa,
No, I didn’t mean to say they are bad. I meant that it is bad to be retarded.
Yes, I knew that (in fact , I even said it!)
I think the reason people think it’s offensive is because it is often used as a pejorative. If I call you “retarded”, I’m insulting you. Now if someone who has a developmentally disabled child hears that, they’re offended, because I’ve used a description of their child as a term of belittlement.
Sort of how your mother might feel if I started calling anyone in the CR who said something silly a “popa”.
Now do I get $20?
December 27, 2011 5:25 am at 5:25 am #1200450popa_bar_abbaParticipantOk, but why should they be offended? They are retarded, and they already know it is a bad thing to be. They should feel validated.
It is just a descriptive word. And it describes something.
If I call you a fatso, and you aren’t but you do eat too much; does that offend fat people?
December 27, 2011 1:51 pm at 1:51 pm #1200451☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantActually, it probably does. Go figure.
Racial terms are also descriptive, yet you agree they’re offensive.
December 27, 2011 11:23 pm at 11:23 pm #1200452popa_bar_abbaParticipantHow about “blind” or “deaf”?
If we’re watching a kids ballgame and I berate my kid for messing up, and call him “blind.”
Also, you didn’t address the chiluk I made, in terms of a secondary meaning.
December 28, 2011 12:35 am at 12:35 am #1200453☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantHow about “blind” or “deaf”?
A good kasha. I would differentiate by pointing out that mentally retarded people were looked down upon more than deaf or blind people, so it’s more comparable to a racial epithet.
Also, you didn’t address the chiluk I made, in terms of a secondary meaning.
You’re right, I kind of missed it.
Now that I look at it, your chiluk (and I assume you’re referring to the fatso comparison) would be true if people weren’t insulted when being called fatso. This is probably worse, though, because I imagine that someone having a developmentally disabled child would be whole lot more sensitive about it than if they had an overweight child.
All that having been said, whatever the reason, I think it’s considered PC to avoid the term, and considered somewhat crude to use it.
December 28, 2011 12:43 am at 12:43 am #1200454happiestMemberPopa, I hope you saw my apology in your other thread (the one asking the mods to close this thread). If not, please take a ride over there and look at it.
I really mean every single word I have said!!!
December 28, 2011 12:48 am at 12:48 am #1200456☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantI thought popa wanted the Starbucks crazy thread closed. Which one was it, pba?
December 28, 2011 12:50 am at 12:50 am #1200457ED IT ORParticipantwhilst we are asking how about:
daft, stupid, thick, crazy, troll,……
December 28, 2011 12:34 pm at 12:34 pm #1200458happiestMemberDaas- could be you’re right. I just assumed it was this one since it seemed like he was getting dumped on in this thread.
I guess I shouldn’t assume anything anymore:)
December 28, 2011 11:20 pm at 11:20 pm #1200459popa_bar_abbaParticipantDY: Sorry, I responded to you, but it looks like my reply didn’t make it past the mods (weird because I cut and pasted a previous comment.)
I referred to the chiluk I made between terms which have acquired a negative secondary meaning, and words whose negative association is only from the actual primary definition.
I quote from above: Racial terms have come to have a negative meaning beyond the actual definition. So that calling someone n
doesn’t mean only “Black,” it also means inferior. There is a secondary meaning of “inferior.” Being Black is not actually inferior, but racists use it in that way, until the term they used “n—-” acquired a secondary meaning of “inferior.”Retarded doesn’t have a negative secondary meaning. It only means mentally disabled. The negative meaning is the actual definition.
December 28, 2011 11:56 pm at 11:56 pm #1200460☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantRetarded has indeed taken on a second meaning – you even use it that way! You don’t literally mean that someone who overspends on tea, or doesn’t chap that they could buy a coffee and spill it out, is mentally retarded; you are disparaging their (or your) lack of astuteness.
It’s primary meaning is someone with limited IQ, it’s secondary meaning is an insult.
I thought you meant something else, does that make me retarded? 🙂
December 29, 2011 12:49 am at 12:49 am #1200461popa_bar_abbaParticipantYes, but the insult is that they are retarded. Because being retarded is bad.
There is no secondary meaning. When you call someone who has low IQ “retarded,” you don’t also mean “insult.”
December 29, 2011 3:42 am at 3:42 am #1200462yitayningwutParticipantHey Popa, you got a new subtitle! (You don’t find it offensive, do you?)
December 29, 2011 6:54 am at 6:54 am #1200463saywhatMemberPopa, I do see the merit in the constant evolution of the word. Maybe one day we’ll find the right one, maybe we wont and will keep on changing it out of sensitivity. True it is annoying to have to keep up on what words some people might find offensive. hurtful. Is that too big a sacrifice?
December 29, 2011 3:18 pm at 3:18 pm #1200464popa_bar_abbaParticipantsaywhat:
You see merit in constant evolution of the word? Explain why please.
Maybe one day we’ll find the right one? Oh, the problem is that we haven’t found the right one? Too many syllables. Now too few. Ok, enough syllables, but now there are too many hard sounds.
Sure, I don’t mind avoiding words that people find offensive. The gemara says you shouldn’t say “hang the fish” in front of someone whose ancestors were hanged.
But, that is a legitimate offense- not one made up by morons. The gemara doesn’t say you shouldn’t say “hang the prisoner” in front of someone whose ancestors were hanged.
December 29, 2011 5:04 pm at 5:04 pm #1200465☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantThere is no secondary meaning. When you call someone who has low IQ “retarded,” you don’t also mean “insult.”
No, the insult has to do with how the person is not properly using his intelligence, whereas retarded refers to an inherent lack of intelligence.
December 29, 2011 5:06 pm at 5:06 pm #1200466☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantMoron (psychology)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Moron is a term once used in psychology to denote mild mental retardation.[1] The term was closely tied with the American eugenics movement.[2] Once the term became popularized, it fell out of use by the psychological community, as it was used more commonly as an insult than as a psychological term.
Origin and uses
“Moron” was coined in 1910 by psychologist Henry H. Goddard[3] from the Ancient Greek word ????? (moros), which meant “dull”[4] (as opposed to oxy, which meant “sharp”), and used to describe a person with a mental age in adulthood of between 8 and 12 on the Binet scale.[5] It was once applied to people with an IQ of 51-70, being superior in one degree to “imbecile” (IQ of 26-50) and superior in two degrees to “idiot” (IQ of 0-25). The word moron, along with others including, “idiotic,” “imbecilic,” “stupid,” and “feeble-minded,” was formerly considered a valid descriptor in the psychological community, but it is now deprecated in use by psychologists.[6]
Following opposition to Goddard’s attempts to popularize his ideas,[7] Goddard recanted his earlier claims about the moron: “It may still be objected that moron parents are likely to have imbecile or idiot children. There is not much evidence that this is the case. The danger is probably negligible.”[8]
December 29, 2011 5:08 pm at 5:08 pm #1200467☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantSo, popa, do you think the people who decided that the word “retarded” is an insult all had an IQ between 51-70?
December 29, 2011 5:54 pm at 5:54 pm #1200468ED IT ORParticipantdefinitely popa’s best subtitle yet….
January 1, 2012 1:25 am at 1:25 am #1200469☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantAny response, popa?
January 1, 2012 1:40 am at 1:40 am #1200470popa_bar_abbaParticipantnope
January 1, 2012 2:13 am at 2:13 am #1200471☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantThanks.
January 1, 2012 9:44 am at 9:44 am #1200472YW Moderator-42ModeratorThis thread is so Polish 🙂
-
AuthorPosts
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.