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December 22, 2011 10:28 pm at 10:28 pm #858420midwesternerParticipant
It was Parshas Vayakhel Pekudei a few years back. I was laining in the parsha of the me’il. In Parshas Tetzave, the word safah has a pazeir. In Pekudei there is a meircha-tvir on safah lefiv saviv lo yikare’a. So as I’m about to lain the much softer pekudei trop, the guy with the aliya standing right next to me goes safa-a-a-a-a-h with a pazeir, quite looud enough to throw me for a moment. So I let my better judgement get away and followed his lead. There’s only 5 words till the sof pasuk! No way to recover and blend in such short order! Ended up with egg all on my face. Serves me right for not having enough self confidence to ignore him!!
The mishna berura says that whenever one davens, even if he davens softly, he must hear the words coming out of his month. (Tzarich lehashmia l’aznav ma shemotzi b’sfasav.) The only exception the mishna berura lists, is that when one has an aliya and is reading along with the Baal Kriah, he may say so soft that he cannot hear, so as not to disturb the Baal Kriah.
December 23, 2011 3:04 pm at 3:04 pm #858421ItcheSrulikMemberOne of the surest ways to make people hate you, is to correct the baal korei while you have an aliya.
LOL! I did that once a few years ago. Thanks to that event, I am leining this shabbos.
March 8, 2012 7:09 am at 7:09 am #858423HaLeiViParticipantSo did you brave it again? I tried going it over to myself beforhand but found myself blaming Haman for wanting to be Hashkicham Torasecha.
March 8, 2012 3:46 pm at 3:46 pm #858424popa_bar_abbaParticipantI was brave again. Last night, I didn’t even take a siddur from the shelf.
And today, I was in the car with someone and we were benching and he didn’t know it by heart, so I said it with him.
March 8, 2012 7:03 pm at 7:03 pm #858425oomisParticipantPopa you get the Purple Heart (or is that the Techeilis Heart?)for bravery above and beyond…
March 9, 2012 5:30 am at 5:30 am #858426YW Moderator-42ModeratorI tried but I kept mixing up Haman and Mordichai.
March 9, 2012 6:31 am at 6:31 am #858427Think firstMemberMidwesterner- I’ve been leining for ten years and it took about eight until I can ignore a correction (obviously when I know they are mistaken) with confidence. I do “agree” and correct it when I realize I did make a mistake. Nothing like experience and making mistakes is part of it.
March 9, 2012 5:04 pm at 5:04 pm #858428Rav TuvParticipantI tried but I kept mixing up Haman and Mordichai.
You were M’kayem a d’lo yada. 🙂
March 9, 2012 6:32 pm at 6:32 pm #858429nitpickerParticipantto think_first.
and if I am laining and someone corrects me about something minor for which the halacha is clearly ‘ain machzirin’ I will still take the correction because I don’t want to discourage a valid correction
March 9, 2012 6:53 pm at 6:53 pm #858430midwesternerParticipantThink first: I’ve had regular laining jobs since I was 16, and now I’m a grandfather. So its been a few years. My reputation is such (I like to convince myself, that is) that people who daven at my regular place wouldn’t dare correct me like that. So I’m not used to someone who has the aliya even trying to chap something.
This fellow was a guest. Every year or so he comes to town and tells me how much he admires my laining. He then waits to pounce on me at the first opportunity.
March 9, 2012 7:50 pm at 7:50 pm #858431nitpickerParticipantto midwesterner:
I am the same way.
the same as your guest, that is!
when I hear someone lain that i really like, I am likely to feel the urge to give him a pointer or two, if I think I know something he doesn’t.
for others I just keep quiet. your guest is probably sincere when he says he likes your laining.
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