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Another day, another black man killed by police. Thoughts?
Absolutely terrible, if the facts pan out as the media claims. That is what investigations are for, but there should be a thorough one to see if the do.
If Trump had half a brain, he would take the victim’s side before Hillary does, even conditionally so that he could back out if the facts clear up. Fits perfectly into the “system is rigged” viewpoint.
He doesn’t have half a brain.
Another day, another criminal getting into an altercation with law enforcement.
Another day another black man does not heed the police and winds up dead thoughts?
Every killing should be investigated by the state that their in.
It doesn’t matter what color the victim is or what color the cop is.
This situation that the Feds are getting involved right away is basically racism!
If the state finds a case of violation of s/o’s rights, then the Feds should get involved.
This country used to be a country based on laws, not on politics!
Another day, another criminal getting into an altercation with law enforcement.
Really, sir? Someone driving with a busted taillight is a criminal that requires shooting?
This has to be one of the absolute worst things I ever read on these boards.
The Wolf
Highly tragic and disturbing. Joseph, that was an idiotic thing to say.
Wolf, you completed the investigation to conclude that the guy wasn’t a criminal and wasn’t stopped for a reason greater than a broken taillight and that he complied with the lawful orders of the officer who stopped him?
Or, perhaps, Mr. Wolf (see, I’m not calling you Rabbi) you simply ate up everything the media fed you on this story, wholesale, as well as that so-called girlfriend whose first reaction before the smoke of the gun cleared was to whip out a smartphone, startup some streaming app and begin filming a video of her injured but not yet dead boyfriend, falsely narrating that he’s dead and whatever other figments of her wild imagination conjured up rather than rendering assistance, requesting medical attention or cooperating with law enforcement officials – all the while her “friend” lay bleeding beside her.
While neither of us know much details on a case that is hardly 24 hours old, and the OP referenced multiple cases (“another”), what we do know from the earlier cases is that almost every one of these #blacklivesmatter police shootings involved a career criminal not complying with orders from a law enforcement officer, usually after being stopped for actual or suspected criminal behavior.
Not complying does not give the police the right to kill him. Police do not have the right to kill people.
popa, I agree. My primary point is to push back against the immediate blame-the-police mentality of these protesters. If the officer is at fault, he should fully be held to account.
Btw, Goq said the same thing I did and he’s getting the pet gloves treatment. 🙂
Police tend to beat up criminals regardless of race. Sometimes they beat up an innocent person. It is to the credit of the African American community that they complain, even though they are also the most likely to be victims of crime. When crime was a big problem among American Jews (in the era of the “horse poisoners guild”-they offered to protect your horse for a fee), we basically threw the Jewish criminal under the bus – when they got killed or executed they would have trouble getting a minyan for the funeral.
“you completed the investigation to conclude that the guy wasn’t a criminal”
You completed the investigation, served as a grand jury to indict him for a death penalty offense, served as a trial jury to try him and convict him, and approved a death penalty.
Had he been a frum Jew rather than an African American the entire Jewish community in America would be up in arms.
“push back against the immediate blame-the-police mentality of these protesters”
Well I push back against the immediate blame-the-victim mentality of people like you!
(FWIW I have publicly called out some of their leaders of the BlackLivesMatter movement over their praise for a convicted cop killer who is now a fugitive in Cuba. But that doesn’t doesn’t mean the problems they are complain about aren’t real. And you are an example of the problem.)
Wolf, you completed the investigation to conclude that the guy wasn’t a criminal
… and you completed yours and determined that he was.
While neither of us know much details on a case that is hardly 24 hours old
… and you’ve already determined that he was a criminal.
The Wolf
akuperma -“It is to the credit of the African American community that they complain, even though they are also the most likely to be victims of crime.”
They lost any credit they deserved because of their Unlawful riots!
This country is becoming more & more like the Wild, Wild West!
No more Riots, No more killing of Cops!
You can’t have a free country when certain segments of the population are allowed to vent.
Bring in the National Guard & enforce a curfew from dusk to dawn!
Now you know why it wasn’t a good idea to have an African American President!
lol Joseph.
Sorry, but that just sounds like a racist rant.
charlie, wolf, and rebyidd: The facts of the case in Minnesota so far seem to be that he told the police he had a (legal) gun. Protocol in such a case is to keep your hands in plain sight until the police have inspected your license and secured the weapon until they are done dealing with you. He, for whatever reason, thought he should get his registration before the cops told him to. The cop shot him as soon as his hand entered his bag, which is exactly what police are supposed to do in this situation.
The case in Louisiana seems much more clear-cut and, unless some new evidence comes out, those police officers will actually spend a long time in jail for murder.
charlie, wolf, and rebyidd: The facts of the case in Minnesota
I don’t have a problem with waiting to see what the facts are. It’s the people who have preemptively branded the shooting victims as criminals that I have a problem with. If someone in this thread had not made his comment that the people involved were criminals (and, by implication, that the shootings were justified), I probably would not have said anything either.
The Wolf
And my faith in the goodness of humanity just took another big hit this morning. I’m not sure I want to belong to the species anymore. 🙁
The Wolf
Sam2,
If that is “what police are supposed to do in this situation” there is a serious problem with police protocol. That’s a shoot first and ask questions later philosophy which unnecessarily gets people killed. How many people who are planning on shooting cops tell the cops in advance that they have a legal gun? Also it is very likely that the cop asked him for his license and registration already, that is the first thing they ask for. The cop panicked and a man is dead. It is incredibly tragic.
I don’t think, however, that this is racial thing except for maybe in the sense that blacks get pulled over more. There are too many cops around for all of them to be good at their jobs and there are plenty of unarmed white (and other races) people that get killed by cops as well. But there is definitely a perception out there that this happens only to black people or at least far more frequently to black people. It is this perception that has fueled violence against police, creating a cycle of violence where the police are more nervous and therefore more likely to kill people.
Wolf -“And my faith in the goodness of humanity just took another big hit this morning.”
What we need in this country s/o who can bring all Americans together!
This is a time, perhaps more than ever, for strong leadership, love and compassion. We will pull through these tragedies.”
What we need in this country is strong leadership!
Obviously the leaders that we have now have failed miserably!!!
And your source for the pre-shooting conversation is the woman who posted the video?
I’m not sure I want to belong to the species anymore. 🙁
The Wolf
Why? What did wolves do now?
There is no evidence that the man shot was a criminal, and certainly no evidence that he was currently engaged in any criminal activity
There’s no evidence to the contrary, so no one can today judge the police officer at fault.
I actually watched part of the clip now. It seems like the police officer is more upset about the shooting than the girlfriend. He’s saying “I told him not to reach for it”. I also wonder if there was some conspiracy here with the #blacklivesmatter movement. To me it looks like that should not have been a fatal shot. Why was the hospital unable to save his life? If Phiandro Castile would still be alive I don’t think this story would even make the news. I think someone wanted to be sure it becomes a national topic.
mw13:
One of the things taught to someone with a license to carry a concealed weapon is to announce it to the police if they are stopped for any reason.
mw13 and iacisrmma: Yes, and the protocol is that they clear the car, person by person, to avoid anyone potentially reaching for the weapon. He should not have reached for anything until the car was clear.
The Louisiana case he was already subdued and on the ground. There was no need to shoot him, even though he had a gun in the back of his waistband.
MW13-“Health!:
Now you know why it wasn’t a good idea to have an African American President!
Perhaps the name of this thread should be changed to just “Possible Racism”.”
You jumped the gun because you’re obviously a liberal that’s trying very hard to be PC!
I actually explained my views in my next post:
This is a time, perhaps more than ever, for strong leadership, love and compassion. We will pull through these tragedies.”
“What we need in this country is strong leadership!
Obviously the leaders that we have now have failed miserably!!!”
If it was a conspiracy with Black Lives Matter, maybe the police shootings were a conspiracy with Blue Lives Matter.
Not that I’m taking this as Torah MiSinai, just that this is how the story is currently being told – it may very well change.
Next time don’t swallow the media’s narrative wholesale all at once. Not only “it may very well change”, it will change. The media has no chezkes kashrus. Especially on these type of issues where they have a sordid history of getting it very wrong and biasing their coverage in an anti-police inclination favoring these #blacklivesmatter thugs, who themselves have a history of supporting cop-killers.
P.S. You’ve met the deadline for my directive to have a public disagreement with me within 30 days. You’ve now proven you’re not my poodle. 🙂
Rebyidd: I did see some people quoted on Twitter saying that the cop shooting was a false flag to take attention away from the fact that cops shot two black people last week.
We now have word for the MN officer’s lawyer that a) he was pulled over for more than simply a taillight violation and b) he failed to comply with the officer’s order when reaching into his pocket. We also do not know if he had a license to carry a firearm, other than the so-called girlfriend’s claim he did.
MW13 -“I’m disappointed – your opening salvo of insults is usually better than that. But I guess you were spent from the effort of painting Trump as a loving unifier”
“But anyway, nothing in any of your rants explains how this incident shows why it wasn’t a good idea to have an African American President! Which, I will repeat, has clear racist undertones; I’m somewhat disappointed that the mods haven’t deleted that comment.”
You’re such a liberal, you didn’t even begin to understand my point!
I have nothing against blacks, but I can’t stand liberals!
As a matter of fact, there was a black doctor running for president in the republican primary.
You liberals are the worse racists! Always looking to provoke racial strife!
This is what I meant by my comment. This president has put back racial harmony 50 years!
Health,
1. How many do you have? You have sounded at various times like Joseph and HaKatan.
2. So why didn’t you write that it was not a good idea to have a liberal President?
Avi K -“Health, 1. How many do you have? You have sounded at various times like Joseph and HaKatan.”
Actually only one. I’ve been posting here for years with the same SN!
How many do you have?
“2. So why didn’t you write that it was not a good idea to have a liberal President?”
In hindsight I should have! The reason I didn’t is because I explained my post in my next posting.
This isn’t a court of law, that you have to be careful with what you say!
The problem with some posters, that they are trying so hard to be PC, that they’ll immediately jump on the posts that irks them the wrong way!
Please explain the right way for a post to irk someone.
In case there are still people who are in denial about police racism, listen to what Sen. Tim Scott had to say today. And you can’t dismiss him as any kind of liberal.
Charlie -“In case there are still people who are in denial about police racism, listen to what Sen. Tim Scott had to say today. And you can’t dismiss him as any kind of liberal.”
IDK who Sen. Scott is, and I don’t care about what he said!
There definitely is racism across the board, from the left to the right.
Where is the problem and where should we start?!?
If the police are the problem, it’s not where we should start!
I posted this in the other topic:
“We should start with Obama’s hometown (Chicago).
Here are the stats for this year, so far, in homicide:
Victim Assailant
Black 263 46
Hispanic 60 16
White/Other 17 2
Police – 4
No Arrest – 270″
So you see – the cops only killed 4 guys.
But they’re 263 black victims!
So it’s obvious that the cops aren’t doing their job of catching bad guys!
It’s also obvious that most homicides are committed by blacks!
So now we see, plain as daylight, where the problem lies, and it’s Not with the cops!
MW13 – Feivel Grow Up!!!!!!!!!!!
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