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October 5, 2008 4:26 am at 4:26 am #588397Toras MosheParticipant
Masechtes Sanhedrin (82b): The Malochei HaShoreis asked the Ribbono Shel Olam for permission to punish Pinchas for killing Kozbi and Zimri. HKB”H said
to them “let him go, he is a “Kanoi”, the son of my Kanoi, an appeaser of my wrath, the son of one who appeased My wrath.”
Parshas Netzavin is all about be a Yid being a kanoi, the way of our Gedolim, Rabbonim and Askonim.
October 5, 2008 10:56 pm at 10:56 pm #642844Give Me a BreakMemberToras Moshe:
What makes YOU a kana’i?
October 5, 2008 11:43 pm at 11:43 pm #642845cantoresqMemberNotice that the Torah only calls Pinchas and Pinchas alone. When Eliyahu tries to assume the title for himself, HKB”H tells him to train Elisha to be a navi since HKB”H has no more use for Eliyahu.
October 6, 2008 1:26 pm at 1:26 pm #642847marinerMembercantoresq: see, people nowadays like to be kanoim because of this passuk, and make silly macha’os. dont burst their bubble with facts. it would be so unkind right before yom kippur.
October 6, 2008 1:36 pm at 1:36 pm #642848JewessMemberI hope you’re not going around assuming yourself a “kanai”… Leave judgement and retribution to God.
October 6, 2008 1:52 pm at 1:52 pm #642849lammed heyMemberToras Moshe:
Now, — my dear Rabbi, — the internet, — it is Assur. ;-(
Go read Slifkin. Or study K-Theory. Don’t promote Kanoius. Too much acid involved, and if its not stopped, who knows who will be next 🙁
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out –
because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out –
because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out –
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me – and there was no one left to speak for me.
US Holocaust Memorial
October 6, 2008 2:57 pm at 2:57 pm #642850The Big OneParticipantThe obvious point is that being called a kana’i is a high honor. It is absolutely hilarious when the left-wingers (religiously) start yelling “kana’i” at someone actually thinking of it as a criticism of some sort, when in fact it is one of the most honorable titles a Yid could obtain for himself.
October 6, 2008 3:27 pm at 3:27 pm #642851Pashuteh YidMemberHave posted many times that the Chazon Ish said that was only for the generations of Pinchas where the RBSH’s hashgacha was apparent to all, and Zimri’s act was total and clear rebellion. Nowadays, harsh words and violence are totally forbidden, and only ahavas yisroel is permitted.
October 6, 2008 3:35 pm at 3:35 pm #642852cantoresqMemberFirst they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out –
because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out –
because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out –
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me – and there was no one left to speak for me.
US Holocaust Memorial
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The above quote is a loose translation of a poem by Pastor Martin Niemoller, a Lutheran minister in Germanmy during WWII; one of the chasidie umot haolam. He was an outspoken critic of Hitler and Naziism, and was eventually deported to Sachenhausen and Dachau. After the war he was a leading spokesman for German guilt over the holocaust, often expressing his personal regret at not having dnoe more to protect the victims of the Holocaust. It behooves us to quote him in his name.
October 6, 2008 5:14 pm at 5:14 pm #642853jphoneMemberKanoi. Did that make your day?
October 6, 2008 6:18 pm at 6:18 pm #642854sammygolMemberJust like not every little Yiddele who wishes to assume the title of a Talmid Chacham may do so upon his wishes and imagination alone, Kanaus has specific requrements and prerequisites, clearly explained by Chazal. Start off by following the Beraisa of Rabbi Pinchas bar Yair at the end of Sotah, if you wish to get ANYWHERE in Judaism. Zerizus, then Zehirus, and so forth, until some day one may actually reach true Chasidus with its attached Kanaus.
I know, it is far easier to demonstrate in Kikar Shabbos that it is to learn one Tosafos. It is also more enjoyable to elevate one’s Judaism by pushing the others down than to actually climb higher. That lesson can be learned from the oldest scales models – when one cup is pressed down, the other goes up by default. Still, does anyone really think that being a “Tzadik by default” is a madrega to be aspired? What a waste of a life it will be if we only strive to such “kanaim”, whose sole achievement is proving their own worth to, basically, themselves, and a most dubious worth at that.
October 6, 2008 7:41 pm at 7:41 pm #642856BogenParticipantthe oilam notes with much satisfaction that sammygol has made the leap from blog to forum, and we welcome him to the coffee room for the very first time!
round of applause please! you may all take your seats now…
October 10, 2008 3:45 am at 3:45 am #642858Chuck SchwabParticipantObviously the original poster is speaking rhetorically, with his point being that being called a Kanoi is something to be proud of.
October 13, 2008 5:57 am at 5:57 am #642860bein_hasdorimParticipantTo Mr Please call me a Kanoi: (Toras Moshe)
A Kanoi is one who is pure on the inside like on the outside
not someone who cloaks himself in self righteousness
and screams or goes guns blazing when its not meant
100% L’Sheim Shomayim!!!
To act like a Kanoi when your really not the on th level
is an extremly dangerous thing & a grave sin.
take Korach V’adasoy for example.
Thats why by Pinchos it was praiseworthy.
Because he was on the level.
More than most people are not even close to such a level of Emes,
& shouldn’t convince themselves they are.
October 16, 2008 5:33 am at 5:33 am #642862morechumrasMemberYes, a Kanoi is a good thing. Now what exactly is the point being made here??
October 16, 2008 6:21 pm at 6:21 pm #642863ChachamParticipantthe gemara in sotah [23b] says after yanai hamelech did and was about to die he said??? ?? ???? ???? ??????? ?? ?????? ?? ??????? ??? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ?? ??????? ?????? ??????? ??????? ????? ???? ??????? ??? ?????:
so all you guys out there are a bunch pf fakers
October 16, 2008 6:30 pm at 6:30 pm #642864ChachamParticipantand also pinchas halachickly endangered his life [the gemara lists a lot of nissim that happened to him] . chazal say [refer back to the gemara in sanhedrin ] that if zimri seperated himself from her he would have been a rotzeach and a rodef and zimri could have legally killed pinchas. chazal say pinchas didn’t chesbon anything[in fact if he has to ask a shaila beforehand he is not allowed to ] it was his immediate reaction scince he truelly cared for kavod hashem hte only way he could react was that
agav i think by being here you are missing time that you can hang up some ‘kanous ‘ against the internet. n
October 23, 2008 6:59 pm at 6:59 pm #642866ujmParticipantshtultzy, so which side of the argument are you taking?
April 19, 2009 11:36 pm at 11:36 pm #642870kapustaParticipantWhat a nice monolouge between shtultzy guy, ujm and chuck schwab… 😉 anyone else part of it that I missed?
April 20, 2009 8:10 pm at 8:10 pm #642872JotharMemberMesilas Yesharim defines kanoi. A kanoi isn’t someone with anger issues who bashes people as a way of getting out his anger. A kanoi is someone who loves Hashem and therefore is offended by breaches in Hashem’s honor. Big difference. According to the book “In Their Shadow” by Shlomo Lorincz, the Chazon ish referred to the Neturei karta as “Yidden from before Mattan Torah”, meaning their kinah wasn’t related to the Torah. That is how they were able to hug anti-Semites generations later. The Brisker Rav, the supreme Torah-based kanoi, refused to attend most demonstrations as they were filled with the wrong kind of kanoim. The Brisker Rav (who used to care for mamzer orphans left on his doorstep) and the Chazon Ish (also known for his tremendous chessed and ahavas yisroel) were the right kind of kanoim, which wasn’t sinah but a milchama for Hashem’s honor. It’s better to be known as an eved Hashem than a kanoi. Negative middos like kanois are very dangerous and should only be used by those who can counteract it with Ahavas Hashem and Ahavas habriyos, like Pinchos, the Chazon Ish, and the Brisker Rov.
I once heard a cute vort from Rabbi Berel Wein on a tape, quoting some Rebbe:
Why is Chukas-Balak a double parsha and Mattos-Maasei a double parsha but Pinchas stands by itself? Because nobody wants to be mishtatef with a kanoi!
(I would have said it’s because Pinchos has 167 pesukim, the second-largest Parsha in the torah by pesukim, but that’s why I’m a litvak).
April 20, 2009 8:26 pm at 8:26 pm #642873feivelParticipantMoshe said to Hashem in Parshas Shmini:
shlach NA (send please), who you will send
one vort:
he was referring to Nadav and Avihu, who Chazal say were greater than Moshe and Aharon.
NA meaning Nadav and Avihu (send Nadav and Avihu)
Nadav and Avihu, who were combined as a gilgul in NA, Navi Eliyahu, NA
April 20, 2009 8:38 pm at 8:38 pm #642874moish01Memberhey wasn’t pinchas eliyahu? and he was already born before nadav and avihu died, no?
April 20, 2009 8:41 pm at 8:41 pm #642875feivelParticipantto clarify
according to the Zohar HaKodesh
even though Pinchas was alive when Nadav and Avihu “died”, their souls entered Pinchas. and joined with him to become a gilgul in Eliyahu
April 20, 2009 9:08 pm at 9:08 pm #642876moish01Membersqueak, (wherever you are) feivel is officially one of my “teachers.” between all his wondrous creations (is that what they’re called??) and now this stuff – wow!
April 20, 2009 9:38 pm at 9:38 pm #642877feivelParticipantMoishe:
if you notice the posting times,
i answered your question before you asked it
thanks for the compliment
April 20, 2009 9:56 pm at 9:56 pm #642878moish01Memberyeah i saw that
April 20, 2009 9:59 pm at 9:59 pm #642879moish01Memberand compliment?? sorry bout that, i didn’t mean to 😉
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