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Is there an issur against it? I don’t mean gambling. I’m just referring to games like solitaire, war, rummy, etc. No money involved, just fun.
It is Assur if youre not playing with a full deck.(That happened to me once.When i realized i decided to play with my marbles instead but i found i had lost them.)
gefen i have no 9s go fish.
Goq and moski – lol. Well, there are always two jokers in every pack…
what a bluff, ill call
Gefen: There is no inherent Issur. R’ Moshe has T’shuvos about playing cards on Shabbos. But there is no inherent Issue so long as it’s not for gambling. And I highly doubt the Arizal said anything about it. The modern deck of cards wouldn’t exist for almost 3 centuries after that. It could be he was referring to an old form of Tarot cards, which would make more sense.
See, however, the Be’ur Halachah in Hilchos Channukah where he says playing with cards is quite a bad thing to do. However, it’s clear that he’s talking about playing with some form of gambling.
yes sigh, 2 queens here u go
I generally lurk to see what’s going on, and thought I should comment on this.
I don’t know of any issur per se, however, you should be aware that there are a number of images on the standard playing cards that are directly linked to Avoda Zara. One example is the “club” that is an old symbol of Avoda Zara symbolizing the “trinity” (3 are really 1 kind of idea). The trinity idea predates cristianity – they took it from the pagans. That is just one example.
WAR!
thegoq,I got u there I only had an ace high!
right you deal
R’ Yosef Chaim Zonnenfeld told a boy who held cards in his hands to go to the mikvah.
do you have any 3s gefen?
Not only do I play cards, I also play games that use cards (standard playing cards as well as custom cards for that particular game).
I guess that makes me a rasha multiple times over.
The Wolf
Go troll for fish.
Anyone for Five Card Unconventional Mao? 😀
very funny gefen!, ok now its my turn to pick a game backgammon.
Sam2: Tarot cards are assur d’oraisa on at least two counts that I can think of off the top of my head. In Arizal’s day there were playing cards though they were very similar to the tarot deck and would be assur as having idolatrous icons. See the wiki page for more information. I don’t think it complies with the link policy here.
I’m reminded of the time (and yes, I know that I’m dating myself here) when I used to play Strat-O-Matic Baseball in yeshiva during lunch/recess. One time a bully threatened to tell the Rosh Yeshiva that we had baseball cards which, ostensibly, were forbidden in the school. I was about to object that they aren’t baseball cards, but then I stopped myself. I figured “what does the Rosh Yeshiva know about baseball cards? He’ll see cards, they’re about baseball, ergo, they’re baseball cards.”
The Wolf
Itche: I once met a guy that reads Tarot cards for Frum people as a joke. I was unsure if it was Assur or if he was Mekayim a Mitzvah because it was Leitzanus of Avodah Zarah.
Wolf was this rebellion of yours the first step in your journey towards being a sinner?
Actually a guy I worked for told me that if you play cards, EVEN ON THE COMPUTER you are pusel l’aydis in Beis Din. Since I am anyway pusel l’aydis count me in to your game. Seriously I forgot why, he did show it to me I’ll have to ask my husband.
Wolf was this rebellion of yours the first step in your journey towards being a sinner?
No. I’ve been the worst human being in the history of the planet since the day I was born. Since then I have not redeemed myself in any manner at all.
The Wolf
Wolf if you are a born sinner than sinning isnt your fault and you wont go to gehenom no?
Gefen: you played a game from Israel and expected it to have rules???
2good2btrue: That’s just not true. Look at the Edus things in the Shulchan Aruch. It’s not true.
Gefen, Wolf is only mean to one person – himself. I wish he’d stop, since, as you point out, he has very common sense things to say, even when I disagree with him. I do wish he’d not play devil’s advocate soo much, but it does make a person think an issue to the depths when he does.
As far as cards go, my boys took a deck of cards to play with at cheder one day (in EY) and they were told to take it home, that it was goyishe zachin. I’m not sure how but I think unless there’s a real issur then we can’t make everything forbidden for kids to play, especially where I live and there are so few permissible things for them to do. Really,what’s wrong with playing go fish? You and Goq were really having fun.
Sam2: Someone offered me a tarot reading yesterday and I thought of your line. Didn’t take it though.
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