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A full 1984 Big Brother society will end up costing millions of lives. Red light camera programs often focus on revenue opportunity to the manufacturers and local government, not on improving safety.
“Thank you jphone we are aware that we are in danger or receiving a ticket,”
Sarcasm aside. Its (a ticket) a risk you may be willing to take, but “your” (not you specifically) recklessness is not a risk other may want to take. Take others into consideration too.
Driving a vehicle is not about “getting away” with things.
Just like a physician is trained to practice medicine in a particular manner so that it becomes second nature and thus he minimizes fatal situations, so to we need to train ourselves to obey all traffic regulations — even at 3AM — so that it becomes part of us and we will therefore save future lives and doros of people in the process. Besides, it’s the law of the land and in the long run, it saves not only lives but time and money as well (TIME: fighting tickets and in court; MONEY: on tickets, towing to pound, and attorneys; etc).
qaws: “At 4:30 in the morning you will make a complete stop at a stop sign when there is no one around for miles?”
At 4:30am it is dark and you might not see a pedestrian that is coming. Good grief! Make a complete stop, how much extra time will it take you? Can’t you spend an extra 10 seconds to possibly save a life?
In our “ADD society” everyone is in a rush, everything has to be done as quickly as possible. Calm down and take your time. Zrizus does not mean to be reckless.
There is an intersection in my neighborhood where there is a 4-way stop and often there is a cop hidden there to give tickets. There is someone in the neighborhoodwho sends text messages warning when he sees the cop there. I often have to cross that intersection on foot and it bothers me that there is a good chance that cars will not stop for me unless they know that the cop is there. Aside from following the law and stopping at stop signs, drivers should also realize that pedestrians have the right of way.
Traffic enforcement ought to be beefed up, and cracked down on illegal driving – however ”minor.”
myshadow, no! i wont! i def will go faster, and like i admitted i am neither the safest nor best driver out there but still have to use our shaichel!
Just wanted to mention one of the cons of red light cameras. If the light is turning red, and you don’t have time to stop safely (there is a car close behind you, etc. ) now that there is a camera, people disregard that it is safer to go thru a yellow than to JAAAMMM on youre brakes, and just think about the ticket. This happened to me several tyimes, where i had to make an unsafe sudden sharp stop to avoid possibly getting a ticket!
What do people think about the guy in Monsey, who for $400 gets a speeding ticket completely wiped off the record?
Reb Moderator,
What is so bad about my question about the lawyer who gets people out of speeding tix?
Supposedly, he is not breaking any laws………..
Yanky55,
What do you think about the guy in (insert location of your choice), who thinks that he can speed (and maybe even drive in other reckless ways) because he knows somebody who for $$$ gets a speeding ticket completely wiped off the record?
Yanky55, those shenenegans are done all over the place. its not a monsey thing.
MD-
I think it is wrong. Period. I just wanted to know if A) people heard of this and B) what their thoughts were about it.
Listen to this one: My brother used to go to Mirrer yeshiva on Ocean parkway and avenue R. During recess some bochurim would take quarters and go outside to kings highway to see if there are any meters that have no time left, and they would do people favors by saving them a ticket. If the police saw the bochurim doing it they would tell them to go away and stop doing it. How can police do that? Why can’t a person save another person a ticket? todays world is crazy.
Where are the moderators today?
When the guy uses a fake name, talks about himself in the third person, refuses to talk over the phone and insists on meeting only in very crowded places, is constatly looking over his shoulder during the meeting and only uses very noncommittal language, I have my doubts as to whether what he is doing is legal. Not to mention that the entire idea of wiping a ticket off the record sounds like funny business.
mdlevine and Yanky you are both right as far it is wrong to pay $$$ to have someone fix a ticket and expunge it from your driving record. Pay the ticket and change your personal driving habits. If one is driving faster then the posted legal speed for the road they are traveling (especially during winter), how safely can a driver stop on visible or hidden ice. If you have your family members traveling with you don`t you want them to feel safe with you as their driver? Or are you a thrill seeker, and trying to give them a joy ride? Do yourself a favor (if you can afford it) buy decent snow tires for the car. ST really help navigate through the ice and snow.
Yes, I would come to a complete stop at a red light at 4:30 in the morning. In fact, I have in the past. Laws exist for a reason. Once one tries to rationalize that it is okay to break them in certain situations, it will become that much easier to do so more often.
Mods, please close this thread. Anyone who drives recklessly or exceeds the speed limit by more than 5 miles an hour should be prepared to accept a ticket. If you are really “innocent”, you can take it to court, but the tone of this thread suggests that most people are actually breaking laws and just want to find a way around it. By the way, I believe it is also illegal to warn people of speed traps. Don’t do it.
jfem, I’m sorry that you missed the old CB days. I used to get updates about Smokey on this highway or that every time I warmed up the set.
squeak, I never knew you were the truck driver type.
squeak, you still occasionally see those lone cars in oncoming traffic flashing their brights and warning of troopers up ahead. Illegal? prob. Helpful? yes.
heres my opinion, especially for drivers in the monsey area:
#1 a 15MPH speed limit because there is a school nearby is completely ridiculous. no one i know drives 15mph, thats practically standing still. when coming from new hempstead road going onto grandview, theres a hill and at the top of the hill is a sign posted for 15mph bec theres a school there.. if you drove 15mph you’d never make it up the hill.
#2 if you ever get stopped and get a ticket from ramapo police dept, ALWAYS plead not guilty and go to court on the appointed date. show up at least 30-45 min early. they schedule about 150 people for the same exact time. if your violation was a stop sign or a 3 point speeding (and its your first violation), theyll always change it to a parking violation with about a $150 fine. but its totally worth it because then your license is clean with no points.
Moving violations are a money making scam in many municipalities. (This does not justify speeding, etc.) And they are just looking for the buck, and will plea-bargain with anyone who shows up and is willing to pay up.
frumgirlNY, welcome to the Coffee Room.
It doesn’t matter if you think the law is unreasonable, you’re still bound to adhere to it, and if you don’t, then don’t complain when you get a ticket. Society cannot function if individuals only do what makes sense to them and ignore the higher authority of law.
joseph, I dare say that there is a lot you don’t know about me. Though I don’t doubt that you’ve figured out quite a bit.
Is that why you are so squeakish about going to lunch with me?
OK, now two people have proposed that it IS illegal to warn others of police presence. You may THINK it is illegal, or that it should be, but I know of no such law. Can you cite one?
i dont complain when i get a ticket bec. i know i’ve technically violated a law. all i’m saying is, is that the cops do not have to hang out at the 15mph speed limit signs and give you a ticket if youre going 25. someone going 25 is not a danger to society. they can spend their time ticketing guys going 85 on the palisades.
squeak, Yonason, the last YWN member I went to lunch with, is a lawyer/truck driver (you would never have believed) and we got along perfectly fine despite our widely dispering viewpoints on both Judaism and politics. We’ll find what to talk about. 🙂
yes, that is why I’m so squeakish. If I changed my mind, I would let you know.
squeak, it would be state specific. From what I understand there’s some “Prohibited Use of Alternating High-beam Headlights” law and also an issue of “obstruction of peace”…
I really don’t know enough about this, and that’s why I wrote – Illegal? prob.
That’s nothing against the practice, only against the method.
Joseph:
Moving violations are a money making scam in many municipalities. (This does not justify speeding, etc.) And they are just looking for the buck, and will plea-bargain with anyone who shows up and is willing to pay up.
Exactly. And when law enforcement shows their disdain for traffic laws (both in this way and by openly violating them themselves – speeding, running red lights and stop signs even when there is no emergency) it is hard for the average citizen to take them seriously. Law enforcement personnel “get away” with it because no one enforces the law on them; we, too, can find ways to “get away with it”. It’s not about safety, it’s about getting caught.
I’m not saying that is correct, just that this is the message that they send.
i was listening to yhe news yesterday and they said that they wnt to put up redlight cameras in rockland to increase “revenue” not to keep people safe ridiculous
little bit if advice, surprisingly useful VERY often: check the ticket that it has the correct date and your name is spelled right…many times the cops dont get it right, happened to someone i know and she got off, happened to my sister also for the wrong date and she got off.
im not stating an opinion on whether or not we should fight tickets, this is just for all those out there who dont mind trying to get off the hook 🙂
–ALSO if youre using a munimeter, check where you put the ticket…i by mistake just put it on the dashboard when it was upside down without noticing….got my first(and so far only lol) ticket that way.
oh and no cops are put on rainy or bad weather days
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