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September 21, 2010 10:19 pm at 10:19 pm #704261bptParticipant
Where were the shots of the country road taken? From the roadbed, I’m inclined to say its a rails-to-trails path. Am I close?
September 22, 2010 1:20 am at 1:20 am #704262Sister BearMemberIt was taken at a friends farm that we went to. Please excuse my ignorance but I’m not sure what a rails-to-trails path is.
September 22, 2010 5:07 pm at 5:07 pm #704263bptParticipantrails-to-trails are abandoned railroad tracks that have had the rails ripped up, and the remaining roadbed is now open to use for biking, cross-country skiing or walking. The easiest one to access in Sullivan County runs from Woodridge to Mountaindale. There is also a stretch from Libery to South Fallsburg, but that is much more rugged.
There’s also one near Monroe (Goshen, I think) but I’ve never been there.
Is the farm in upstate NY?
September 22, 2010 5:26 pm at 5:26 pm #704264Sister BearMemberOh thanks, sounds interesting. Yeah the farm is upstate but it’s a private farm and they just put gravel their so they can drive to a barn.
October 17, 2010 7:28 pm at 7:28 pm #704265I can only tryMemberWhen posting your pictures on a public site make sure that you aren’t sharing your personal information as well.
Digital photos can reveal your location, raise privacy fears
Skim through the photos on Flickr or Photobucket, and you’ll find pictures of cats pawing at living-room sofas, children playing in backyards and mothers gardening at home.
Dig a little deeper, and you can unearth the exact locations of many of those homes, embedded in data within the pictures.
Images often contain a bundle of information and various traces left by digital cameras or photo manipulation software.
This data, called Exchangeable Image File Format (EXIF), is a key tool for many professionals. It can detail whether the photographer used a flash, which digital effects were applied to a picture and when the photo was taken.
EXIF can also contain the precise GPS coordinates for where a photo was taken. This information is readily accessible and can be plugged into software such as Google Maps — leading some security and photography experts to express concerns about amateurs unknowingly disclosing private information, such as the location of their home.
“What could go wrong with that?” Roger Thompson, the chief research officer for digital security firm AVG, said sarcastically.
Thomas Hawk, an active Flickr user and the former chief executive of competing photo site Zooomr, said EXIF is an important part of his archival process. But he has also used that data to track down someone who was harassing him online and managed to coerce an apology, he said.
“I don’t geotag any pictures to my house,” Hawk said on the phone last week. “I think it’s a huge concern. I think a lot of people don’t realize or recognize what’s in all of the EXIF data that they’re publishing.”
Most gadgets ignore the geotagging component of EXIF because relatively few cameras contain the GPS chips needed to tag them. However, many smartphones, such as those from Apple and Google’s Android system, let users employ this feature.
Apple’s and Google’s systems ask each user once or a few times for permission to access their location in order to provide additional services. If they click “OK” on that popup, every photo they take is tagged with GPS coordinates.
Smartphones are fast becoming the camera of choice for many people. Cameras on newer phones have come to rival dedicated point-and-shoots, and many smartphone owners carry them just about everywhere. Smartphone sales have increased 50 percent since last year, according to a report by research firm Gartner.
Millions of images are uploaded to Facebook using the company’s iPhone, Android and BlackBerry applications. The iPhone 3G is the most popular shooter among photographers on Yahoo’s Flickr website, according to a report on that site.
Judging by the abundance of pictures in Flickr’s database that include geolocation data in the EXIF, some smartphone owners aren’t thinking twice about opting into their devices’ GPS feature. Doing so can facilitate useful tools. For example, software like iPhoto and Picasa can group images by location and display them on a map.
But amateur photographers may not realize that this info stays with the image when it’s uploaded to Flickr, Photobucket, Picasa Web Albums and some other photo-sharing services. (Facebook says it strips the EXIF data from all photos to protect its users’ privacy.)
Pictures uploaded to Photobucket by one woman show her children preparing lunch and bathing in a kitchen sink. The location data, which is displayed directly on each photo’s webpage, can be inputted into Google Maps to find a satellite image of her rural home in Edmond, Oklahoma. The woman couldn’t be reached for comment.
“We added EXIF data a few years ago at the request of our users,” Rob Newton, a spokesman for Photobucket, wrote in an e-mail. “To date, we have not received any complaints from users who were previously unaware of the GPS tagging feature.”
Displaying the GPS coordinates on the page can be disabled in a user’s settings panel, Newton noted.
However, anyone could still download the original file using a link on Photobucket and view the location info in Adobe’s Photoshop or in software included with every new Mac and Windows 7 computer.
Flickr’s and Picasa’s pages don’t show the coordinates by default. But the services similarly offer links to access the original files, which can contain EXIF.
“Having the ability to download the original version of photos on Flickr is an important feature for our members,” a Flickr spokeswoman wrote. “However, we help people maintain their privacy by stripping the EXIF data of an image from view on the site and making the default control option to keep this information private.”
Users who don’t want their photos tagged with GPS data can either disable the option on their cameras or run the images through software, such as Photoshop, that can remove the EXIF.
“We realize not everyone wants to share this information with others,” a Google spokeswoman wrote in an e-mail. She notes how to disable GPS tagging, but added: “This is a popular Picasa feature that many people find useful.”
Some photo services, including Facebook, TwitPic and Yfrog, strip EXIF once a file is uploaded and don’t offer a way for users to access the original.
For Yfrog, the lack of EXIF is a byproduct of automatic image optimizations done by the system, not something designed specifically with privacy in mind, Mike Harkey, a spokesman for the ImageShack-owned Yfrog site, wrote in an e-mail.
While Facebook’s system compresses some photos, it doesn’t do so for every one.
“For those that we don’t compress, we still strip out EXIF data,” Facebook spokeswoman Jaime Schopflin wrote in an e-mail. “We do this since users can unintentionally leak sensitive information in EXIF data.”
Thompson, the security expert from AVG, commended these efforts.
“Chalk one up to Facebook for that one,” he said. “One of the alarming things is that every [Facebook] application wants to access your profile and your contacts and your photos. So if they weren’t stripping that [EXIF data], it would be particularly alarming.”
(source: CNN’s tech news site [click for link] )
October 18, 2010 2:03 pm at 2:03 pm #704266WolfishMusingsParticipantMeh.
First of all, I’m in the phone book, so if anyone (who knows me IRL) wants to find me, it’s easy enough to do.
Secondly, my camera doesn’t have geotagging capabilities.
The Wolf
October 18, 2010 2:05 pm at 2:05 pm #704267HelpfulMemberYour cell phone camera may.
October 18, 2010 2:24 pm at 2:24 pm #704268WolfishMusingsParticipantYour cell phone camera may.
True. However (a) I rarely take pics with my cell phone camera and (b) refer back to point #1 above. 🙂
The Wolf
October 19, 2010 12:14 am at 12:14 am #704269mosheroseMember“and (b) refer back to point #1 above. :)”
So your willing to risk your kids safety so that you can take pictures? I thought you said you were a responsible parent?
October 19, 2010 12:16 am at 12:16 am #704270mosheroseMembersorry double post
October 19, 2010 1:15 am at 1:15 am #704271smile66Membernature photography (which this thread is loosely about) is usually in public place and doesn’t reveal anything. I don’t understand your point though because people publish personal atricles in their name, so that says a lot more about them than a picture. And like wolf said if they are in the phonebook… And also, i can’t talk for others but usually when i take a picture it’s at some random place that i’m not regularly being in at the same time of day etc. again. What does it help someone to know where you WERE? So once again, what is your point exactly – that because stalkers could figure out where you were when you took a certain picture you shouldn’t take pictures? Aren’t there many other even easier ways that stalkers could ch”v get to you if they wanted to (which we don’t stop either)?
October 19, 2010 6:01 pm at 6:01 pm #704272WolfishMusingsParticipantGetting back on track — NEW PICTURE!
I spent just about all day Sunday in Harriman State Park, taking pictures of fall foliage. While I got a number of nice foliage shots (some of which I might post here), my best shot of the day (IMHO) was of a stream. Here’s the pic:
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/3wCEPw5QjSQr-Yc_EPermA?feat=directlink
As you might imagine, the stream did not really look like that. It was simply water flowing down and around the rocks. So, how did I get the water to look like that? Did I use some Photoshop magic? No, I didn’t (as a matter of fact, I don’t even own Photoshop).
The trick to taking “ghostly water” shots like that is to use a long exposure. For this picture, I left the shutter open for 30 seconds. That’s quite a bit of time. Because the water was flowing at a nice pace (had it been flowing faster, the water would have looked even more “ghostly”) leaving the shutter open for so long allowed me to capture much of the movement, resulting in the image you see.
Of course, it’s important to remember that if you’re going to leave the shutter open for that long, there are two things you MUST do:
1. Use a tripod. I don’t care if you’re the best surgeon in the world — no one can hold their hands still for 10 seconds, let along 30. You absolutely must use a tripod to keep your camera still while the shutter is open.
2. Change the f/stop on your camera. I stopped the camera all the way down to f/32 — the smallest aperture I could get with the lens I used. If you don’t do this, your entire picture will be completely overexposed.
3. Although not a must, a filter would also help to reduce the amount of light coming into your camera. This will allow you to keep the shutter open longer.
As always, I welcome all comments, critiques and criticisms.
The Wolf
October 19, 2010 6:51 pm at 6:51 pm #704273whatrutalkingabtMemberGorgeous shot Wolf. I always loved that effect.
I wish I had the guts to stand around in a park taking pictures. Thats the disadvantage of frum female photographers- I always feel stupid going out and shooting. Like its not a girl thing to do or something. Its such a shame because I would love to get out and do more shooting.
October 19, 2010 6:59 pm at 6:59 pm #704274WolfishMusingsParticipantwhatrutalkingabt,
Thanks for the kind words.
Harriman State Park is not like a standard city park — it’s a state park covering over 180 sq. kilometers. I followed a bike trail out into the woods where I found this stream. While walking in the woods, at least two hours passed without my seeing anyone else. You could easily go in there, shoot whatever it is you wanted to shoot and then leave without having to feel self-conscious about it.
In any event, there’s no reason for you to be ashamed about taking pictures. Go out and shoot!
The Wolf
The Wolf
October 19, 2010 7:03 pm at 7:03 pm #704275Ben TorahParticipantHas The Wolf reproduced?
October 19, 2010 7:36 pm at 7:36 pm #704276WolfishMusingsParticipantThe Wolf is a bad editor.
The Wolf
October 19, 2010 7:38 pm at 7:38 pm #704277bptParticipantWolf – which trail did you take? I’ve been to many parts of the park, and am always looking for other peoples favorite spots
And you are right about not seeing people. I’ve arrived at the trailhead to see 50+ cars, but will only see about 6-10 people (if lucky)
I’m planning to go this Sunday. Where was the foilage in best color?
October 19, 2010 8:08 pm at 8:08 pm #704278whatrutalkingabtMemberWolf-
Have you ever watched any of Bryan Petersons videos on photography tips? He’s great. Anyways, he had one recently where he attached his camera to a rake with a bogen superclamp and then went on raking colorful leaves and shooting at the same time. It was a stunning picture and quite interesting video to watch.
I would love to try that but I’m afraid I’ll get some strange looks if I go outside my building in Ramat Eshkol and do that. Its just not something you would see a kollel wife doing… ; )
But the truth is I would go out and shoot more if I had a car and I could go to interesting and private places. I dont hve ways of getting around here especially with equipment. I guess I’ll put it on the “things to do when we move back to america” list
October 19, 2010 8:10 pm at 8:10 pm #704279WolfishMusingsParticipantBP —
I don’t know the name of the trail. It was a bike trail that started from the far south end of the far south parking lot. The stream was located about an hour’s walk along the way.
That was my first time in the park, so I can’t claim to know where the best foliage was. I spent a few hours on that trail, but there was still a lot of green there. The rest of the time I spent along Seven Lakes Drive. There was some nice foliage along the lakes. If you watch my blog, I’ll probably put up some more pictures (including foliage pictures) in the next few days.
The Wolf
October 19, 2010 8:43 pm at 8:43 pm #704280WolfishMusingsParticipantHave you ever watched any of Bryan Petersons videos on photography tips? He’s great.
I’ve read some of his books, but I didn’t know that he had videos available.
The Wolf
October 19, 2010 8:44 pm at 8:44 pm #704281whatrutalkingabtMemberHere is a link to the video I was talking about
http://videos.ppsop.com/rake.html
He’s a little interesting looking…but he’s a GREAT photographer
October 19, 2010 9:21 pm at 9:21 pm #704282whatrutalkingabtMemberI always get his videos emailed to me thru adorama. If you sign up to adoramas mailing list they always have great photography tips and lots of times they have videos and tips from Bryan Peterson
October 21, 2010 1:43 am at 1:43 am #704283mosheroseMemberWolf dont you think your time might be better spent doing mitzvos instead of wandring around a park taking silly pictures.
October 21, 2010 7:46 pm at 7:46 pm #704284whatrutalkingabtMemberMoshe Rose,
dont you think your time would be better spent giving people compliments instead of constantly putting them down?
October 21, 2010 10:11 pm at 10:11 pm #704285Sister BearMemberWolf, gorgeous shot!!!!!!!! I also appreciate how you explain how you did it!!! Can I put it as the background for my computer? 🙂
I have a regular Canon point and shoot camera. Will it do all these cool things too?
October 21, 2010 10:36 pm at 10:36 pm #704286WolfishMusingsParticipantWolf, gorgeous shot!!!!!!!! I also appreciate how you explain how you did it!!! Can I put it as the background for my computer? 🙂
Thanks for the kind words. I’d be honored if you used the picture for your wallpaper. 🙂
I have a regular Canon point and shoot camera. Will it do all these cool things too?
It depends. Some point and shoots allow you to control the shutter speed (how long the shutter opens) and the aperture (how wide the shutter opens). If you can control those with your camera, then you can try to get that type of shot. If not, then I’m afraid not. But don’t despair — there are plenty of things you can learn about photography with even the cheapest point and shoot — composure, lighting, perspective, etc.
The Wolf
October 28, 2010 5:13 pm at 5:13 pm #704287WolfishMusingsParticipantChange Your Perspective
Take a look at this picture:
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Bl-F3BWxMlNJn41GRe1k3Q?feat=directlink
It’s a nice picture of a tall tree. I was walking along a street and saw the interesting leaves and the clear sky and thought that the pic would be interesting. So, I stood under the tree and snapped the shot.
Nice story, no? Unfortunately, everything in it (aside from the clear sky) was a lie.
This is actually a small plant, about two feet tall. I was in the Marine Park salt marsh, looking for interesting things to shoot. The plant was a rather ordinary looking plant. But what’s the point in taking a picture of an ordinary looking plant? We’ve all seen non-descript plants before.
I decided, however, to make the shot different. I laid down on the floor of the marsh (yes, it was dry) underneath the plant and shot upward. By changing the perspective of the shot, the picture becomes much more interesting.
This can apply to anything. One area where you can put it to good use is with flowers. I love shooting flowers. Most people shoot flowers head-on. It’s okay, and you may get some nice shots that way, but let’s face it — we always see flowers head-on. Your shot has to be really fantastic to look good as a straight flower picture.
I was faced with this problem one time in Midtown Manhattan. Some of the local merchants on 5th Avenue put some tulips in planters on the sidewalk. The tulips looked very nice and I really wanted to get a nice shot of them. But I didn’t want to shoot them from the top downward — again, we all see tulips like that all the time.
I decided to shoot them from a different angle. The result is here:
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/GJOinjD_sH_P8KYVIRp_cQ?feat=directlink
By shooting from a different angle and presenting a view of the tulips that we don’t usually see, I got (IMHO) a far more interesting picture.
So, go ahead and you do it. This isn’t something you need a fancy SLR for — you can do this with any camera. So go ahead… shoot something from a different perspective. Experiment and post links here. I’d love to see what you come up with.
The Wolf
October 28, 2010 5:18 pm at 5:18 pm #704288blinkyParticipantI laid down on the floor of the marsh (yes, it was dry) underneath the plant and shot upward.
Aha, so that was the guy i saw the other day in the park sleeping, i thought you were homeless:)
Kidding aside- I enjoy looking at your pics, they are very nice, the flower one looks so real and enlarged its beautiful! And its a georgeous color too!
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