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What part of the peyos must remain uncut?
What do you mean by uncut?
I’ve wondered about that myself, what part you can trim (let’s say during a buzz). Doesn’t it go by minhag, where some people grow it out and put it behind their ear? I learned that the bottom part of the peya has to reach the bottom of the inner opening of the ear. My kids barber said with a buzz cut, anything “3” or above is ok; a “2” is not. He’s not a rav, though. I’m wondering what you all know.
See Shulchan Aruch Yoreh Deah 181. It’s not very complicated.
mommamia22 –
There are two opinions about what kind of removing peyos is forbidden. Either only a razor is assur or even a scissors which cuts close like a razor is assur (such as a kosher shaver). We are machmir like the second pshat. Anything which is not similar to a razor-cut is fine. Therefore I believe that a 2 is certainly fine, and even a 1. The only thing I would say is problematic is the clipper without an attachment, and even that might vary based on what it looks like after it’s done.
The min shir I have heard from my rav is at the bone. There is a bone right by your ear canal the peyios have go a little beyond that. Also a 3 or 2 is the thickness of the hair by the payios I agree they should be a 3 maybe even a 4, but I have never asked my rav how tick they should be by the bone, but he did tell me that is the point where they must grow.
In flatbush their are a few barber shops that have a sign explaining the halachos of peyios that you can look that if you do not have a local orthodox rabbi to ask this question to.
The shiur of the bone is where the peyos stop on the bottom. You can feel it next to the middle of your ear where the skull overlaps the jaw (ok there are fancier words but I don’t know them). Under that you do not need to worry about the rules of peyos. This is all in the Shulchan Aruch there.
It’s unclear in the Shulchan Aruch there. He says it starts at the forehead, meaning the hair that juts out from on top of the peyos onto the forehead. My personal opinion is that you draw a slant from there until the front of the top of your ear, and everything lower than that until the bone is your peyos.
There is a poster available.
The 18?x24? laminated poster is available for free if it will be on permanent public display in a yeshiva, shul, or barber shop. All others can have a free pdf file of the poster emailed to them, and can print the poster on their home printer or bring it to their local copy center.
Call 877-Payos-26 (877.729.6726) for simple directions on how to get a copy of the poster or for additional information, including a frequently asked questions section regarding the poster.
Click on DaasYochids name, you will see the poster Jothar is talking about.
Does that mean the poster only represents a daas yachid?
Ok, take this to the worst jokes of all time thread…
I think it depends on who you ask. Some sects are more machmir.
Here is the link for the poster: http://www.hakhel.info/archivesPublicService/PeyosPoster.pdf
To make it easier, I’ll post on this thread. And in case the link in my sn is removed, here it is: http://kosherhaircut.com/.
DY – Why would it get removed, and not the one that you posted?
hello,
What location is the “location of payos” (above, side, and below)?
r-b,
Why would it get removed
I might decide to change it. Or, a moderator might, but still leave the post. It’s hard to understand why certain links are allowed and others not, because different moderators are on duty at different times.
Hello99,
This response from someone involved in the production of the poster:
i think the op meant peyas harosh. in which case, its a machlokes rishonim exactly where the peyous are. the halachah of the is length, not never touching them. go look at rishonim there cuz its too complicate to write.
What Is the mekor to have long peyos going down the side of your head (like Chasidim, Teimenim and some others have)?
So, why do even litvaks grow their kids’ hair down to the cheekbone? If the kids don’t have sideburns, what is the reason to let hair hang down over it from higher on their head?
Does this make any sense?
(And don’t tell me chinuch, since it is not doing the mitzva. The mitzva is to have the hairs that grow there not cut too short, not to have other hair hanging there. It is no different than coloring it on with a marker.)
Brachos 11a:
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Although not according to Rashi’s pshat. See Aruch and Tos. Harosh.
DY: ??”? ????? ?? ??? ??’ ??”? quotes Rav Dovid Feinstein that one should be Machmir .25″
Yet, his haskama is on the poster (and I know it’s legit). I don’t have access to ??”? ????? ?? to check.
Popa –
I would guess it comes from the Ari mentioned in the Beis Lechem Yehuda here:
http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=9146&st=&pgnum=250&hilite=
yitay:
Yes, that I was aware of. And that is presumably what is behind the “brisker” peyos.
I’m asking more according to litvaks who don’t have peyos at all, and only do the ikkar hadin of not trimming the sideburns too close. Why do they grow their kids hair down to the cheekbone?
Fregt gut.
Maybe it has something to do with getting into yeshivishe schools.
I donno.
When I was in kindergarten, we had a kid in the class from a non-frum family. One day, he came in with his “peyos” cut off. And the teachers were upset about it. And I don’t get it. (the teachers were a bit ignorant, in other regards also.)
They were probably more upset by the fact that the kid had them cut off than had he simply never had them.
popa: I think it’s cultural, not halachic. Today a lot of litvish/yeshivish Jews want to be more visibly “frum” like the chassidim so they give their kids peyos, just not full length. Though that’s changing too and I see more yeshivish children with longer peyos as well.
Itche: I think we’re talking about different things.
You’re talking about having peyos which you stick behind your ear. That is based on the Ari that yitayningwut linked. That is an idea that you should allow all the hair in the peyos zone to down to the cheekbone.
I’m talking about something that you probably also did. That is, that as a kid, before you had sideburns, you still had hair hanging down in front of your ear up to the cheekbone, and you would tell your barber to not cut it off. I have never seen any marginally frum kid without that. And I am trying to figure out why.
popa: Yeah, now I get you. Though I actually did have peyos behind my ears until I grew sideburns.
Unfortunately, the website for the kosher haircut poster is down. Someone is working on it, but meanwhile, the poster can be obtained here:
http://freepdfhosting.com/3ade97db11.pdf
Moderator, kindly allow the link. Thanks.
Welcome back, DY! Here to stay?
The site is B”H back up.
OneOfMany,
Thanks. I still read the CR once in a while, but posting became very time consuming, so I’ve refrained.
So why do people have peyos behind their ears-is this just a style or Halacha?
site’s not working yet actually
blackhat: Cause they’re embarassed to leave it in front of their ear.
It works for me.
Interesting-nothing Halachik-just cause they dont want to stand out amongst the goyim with hair in front of their ears instead of behind what is the length of the peyos behind the ear-is it up to the cheek-bone?
um, i’m not sure the reason, but i dont think thats it. From the people i know with peyos behind the ear, its until about the bottom of the ear, where its attached to the head, not the lobe. and from that length and on. One of my relatives doesnt cut his peyos but is not chassidish to curl them, and doesnt either tuck them under his kippa, but wraps them around his ears. Just saw him recently- must be 10 inches long
Many people keep their sideburns down to the bottom of the ear lobe which seems like the more machmir shitah-would this be the same length as if he grew his peyos behind his ear?
They hold like Elvis.
HA HA…true, but what is the real answer to my question?
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