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There are currently two threads going with similar names. Or can I rephrase that; of the multitude of threads on the same or very similar topics, one thread is called Pesach (spelt as most people write it) while the other is called Paysach (spelt as most people pronounce it).
How do you say it? (I’m referring to the litvish, non-sefardi, non-chassidish public). Most of us say pay-sach even though the letter ? has a segol under it (pronounced segol, not saygol). I dont know why this is that the chassidish pronounciation seems to be the prevelant one. My father ????? thinks people call it Paysach because for ??? we all PAY-A-SACH!!
Do you say seudo shlishis, shaleshudes or shalesheedis? Havdollah or havdullah? I am nisach sefard so I do use the chassidish pronunciations a lot but many others also use it when it is out of character for them.
Even some chassidim call it p-ICE-ach when there’s a ????? under the ? and not a ??????.
We say Peh-sahch.
My family is German though. My grandparents did say it with a heavier Peh sound. Can’t describe it if you don’t know how German Jews talk.
Are we REALLY doing ANOTHER one of these?!?
Dai k’var!
well shticky guy gotta be shticky so of course he is doing another one of these
We say Pay-sach… although, on reflection, I’ve got to admit that Peh-sach is probably the correct way of saying it.
The Wolf
I say ‘Pay-sach’, my husband says ‘Pie-sach” … you say potato & I say pototo… 😉
Shticky Guy…
Are those really our ONLY choices???
It should be PAYsach, because you really gotta PAY a lot for all the Pesach stuff.
:>
I say ‘Pay-sach’, my husband says ‘Pie-sach” … you say potato & I say pototo… 😉
… let’s call the whole thing off. 🙂
The Wolf
If I’m speaking in English, its Pay-sach. In yiddish, its Paiy-sech.
Nuances, but v-e-r-y telling ones. Nothing “outs” you faster than mispronouncing a word like that.
Peh-sach
Seudat shelishit
Havdallah
Due to my very mixed background:
Peh-sach (segol, patach)
Havduhluh (patach, kuhmutz, kuhmutz)
Shal’shudis (who knows, but it’s one of the few yeshivish pronunciations I didn’t drop)
ItcheSrulik: Why have you “dropped” yeshivish pronunciations? Where does your name Itche Srulik come from (sounds Chasidic)? And what is your “very mixed background”?
I dropped yeshivish pronunciation, mainly the “choylem” because it is incorrect. Secondarily, it also identifies me as part of a community to which I no longer belong. When learning I still use words like “tzu-shtell” “in hachi nami” and “chalois” because every discipline has it’s technical jargon and a good part of the yeshivishe shprach is the technical terminology of Torah, but I don’t put it into everyday conversation.
My screen name is just a yiddishization of my real name. Just a little (no longer) private joke.
Q: ItcheSrulik: Why have you “dropped” yeshivish pronunciations?
A: Secondarily, it also identifies me as part of a community to which I no longer belong.
Since you personally take action to insure your communal affiliation is properly broadcast, surely you agree that members of yeshivish communities ought to wear a hat and jacket to (like yourself in your situation) identify as a part of the yeshiva community, correct?
BTW, What convinces you that the “choylem” is “wrong”? I’m also curious as to why do you “no longer belong” with the yeshivish community?
actually, isn’t it chag hamatzo(s)(t)
Grandmaster: yes, they should. Clothing is a big part of group identification. I don’t like it, but it’s a fact. Even the halacha provides for it with regulations on how big your kipa has to be, etc.
Re the choylem: The Mislol, written by a grandson of the Tosfos Yom Tov. (I confess that it’s the only dikduk sefer that I’ve actually learned through a large section) and a psak from my rebbi who is a baal kria and reads with an Oh cholem, as does his rebbi, Rav Yisroel Belsky.
rescue37: technically, yes. Simchas Torah is also technically the second day of shmini atzeres.
ItcheSrulik: IOW, the choylem issue is a machlokes haposkim. Also, any comment on the last question in my previous comment?
paysach when im speaking english
and pesach when speaking ivrit. it really makes no difference though, we all mean the same 4 cups of wine, the matzah and a sach gelt
Grandmaster: yeshivaworld.com is not the appropriate place for a lengthy critique of the culture, society, and theology of the Yeshiva World.
I have a brother with the name Paysach and he spells it Paysach.
When you say most people say paysach, you mean only when talking about the yomtov paysach. When reading the word in a siddur, machzor or chumash etc then almost all ashkenaz non chassidic readers will say pesach eg kol shelo omru shelosha devarim eilu bapesach… V’eilu heim… Pesach, matzo, maror.
Has anyone ever seen the word pesach with a tzeirei under the letter Pay instead of the usual segol? This would explain both the litvish paysach and the chassidic pie-sach.
I got a phone call recently from Paysach Krohn.He said,”Hi,it’s Paysach.” I said,”Isn’t it ALMOST Paysach?”
Hilarious,I know.
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