People Who Should Never Get Married

Someone who has a communicable disease such as HIV or AIDS should not get married, IMO. Someone with a mental illness that is incurable, 100% uncontrollable and causes violent actions, ditto.

These are the random thoughts that come to mind. I am obviously not speaking from any halachic perspective per se.

Wolf- The OP is asking about people who should NEVER marry. Nothing about remarrying.

The title is “never get married”.

Ah, okay. Now I understand.

People who are presently married should NEVER MARRY without first terminating their present marriage. 🙂

Not what you meant?

OK, how about dead people. Dead people should never marry. 🙂

Seriously, however, I can’t think of anyone who shouldn’t get married for strictly halachic reasons. There are certain practical reasons, some of which were outlined by Oomis that might prevent people from getting married.

On second thought, there are some who maintain that a woman who lost multiple husbands should not marry again. However, how often that is truly enforced* is not really clear.

The Wolf

* Much like the halachic restrictions against suicides are rarely, if ever, enforced in modern times.

IMHO

Everyone can get married, the question is if they should.

Someone with an STD can marry someone else with that STD.

Someone with a mental illness can marry someone else with such illness and live under supervision.

Someone who should not have children (genetics) can marry someone who can not have children (genetics).

Are they better off single or married? That is for them and/or their guardian to decide.

Someone with an STD can marry someone else with that STD.

Not necessarily. Google the term “superinfection.”

The Wolf

maybe what was meant by there are “numerous reasons” it is “assur for certain people to marry”.

is: assur for certain people to marry each other, like a grusha to a Kohein.

What do you mean by “should not have children”? That might fall into the same category of Chizkiyahu and Menashe. There are methods of selecting cells, which involves heavy rabbinic consultation.

Not necessarily. Google the term “superinfection.”

The Wolf

I did not know that. Thank you.

Someone who is prone to violence or other forms of abuse should never get married.

Oddly enough, someone with a genetic illness might make a great spouse for someone that kids are not in the picture. As long as the partner knows the type of illness and what the long term (or CV the short term) outcome is, there is no reason for these people to be kept apart.

A few years of happiness is better that no years of happiness. (And it might, just might turn into many years of happiness, with medical magic being what it is today.)

is a man who is physically unable to have children obligated to get married?

is he allowed to marry a woman who is capable of having children? (or at least there is no indication that she is not capable)

I knew a guy who married a disabled woman, Because of her severe disabilty they could not marry civilly (Due to Medicaid issues) and had to live seperately (She Needed assistance that he could not give)

About a year after they married, she slipped into a Coma and never came out of it (About 6 months this went on for until it was over)

IOW, except in those very rare circumstances, a man’s *obligation* to get married always remains.

For other (less blatant) exceptions, ask a posek (actually, ask a posek even for these).

thaanks daas

i dont get the “even”

it seems pashut that he could marry a woman who cant bear children

the question should be can he EVEN marry a woman who CAN bear children

80,

I think it’s being used in contradistinction to a man who is able to have children, as in:

A man who is able to have children can only marry a woman who is able to have children, but a man who is unable to have children can “even” marry a woman who is unable to have children.

DY: What if a Kohein has a child with his wife’s sister.

DY:

Rav Moshe has a Teshuva on this; regarding the Gemorah Chaggiah 15a (IIRC). Basicly Rav Moshe holds by definition it is impossible (the child is a chalal or not a Mamzer), but other Rabbonim might argue.

@Wolf-

Where do you know that from? (This is a request for information, not a challenge.)

Thanks!

But they can marry a Shifcha.

@Haleivi-

A half eved/half ben chorin cannot marry a shifcha, because he is still half free man. I believe there is a machlokes between Beis Hillel and Beis Shamai in such a situation, as to whether he is stuck, or we force the owner to free the slave “half” of the person so that he can get married.

Littleapple: I believe so, as the issur is not to come into the Kahal, not that they aren’t allowed to get married in general

Wolf: I may be mistaken, but i believe that the din of Chalal only applies to issurim specific to Kohanim (e.g. gerusha), as opposed to issurim that apply to the rest the Kahal (mamzer). So if a Cohen would have mamzer offspring his children would not be Chalalim. This is my understanding of the sugya in Kidushin daf 77b.

In addition, I don’t understand your statement that a the child of a forbidden kohen marriage loses Kohanic status. It is my understanding that they are a Kohen Chalal which means they lose the benifits of being a Kohen, but not that they aren’t a Kohen altogether. Please tell me if I am mistaken.

@DaasYochid-

But she wasn’t necessarily a zonah before.

I’ve always learned the same as Ender, that a Chalal is only from Kohein-specific issurim. Could be I’m wrong, though.

But she wasn’t necessarily a zonah before.

Conception and birth are after she’s a zonah.

I’ve always learned the same as Ender, that a Chalal is only from Kohein-specific issurim.

IIRC, it’s a machlokes rishonim, but we pasken as S.A. above.

He spaced out.