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Based on RY’s safety thread.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/safety-questions
If there is a child in a school who is severely allergic to peanuts, I think the school should not allow snacks and lunches (any food) which contains peanut or is made in a facility which processes peanuts.
I think the responsible thing is not to rely merely on teachers and staff policing it in that child’s environment, or on use of an EpiPen after exposure. There’s too much of a chance that something will go wrong. This child’s life is at stake.
I know it can be extremely inconvenient for all of the other children’s parents to have limited options for lunch and snacks. I think this one child’s safety, and ability to go to yeshiva (or BY, etc.) takes precedence.
I even understand if a school has a permanent policy in place, even when at a particular time there is no allergic child in the school. It’s difficult for parents to recognize which products are safe and which aren’t, and if one year the school suddenly needs to implement such a policy, it will be tough to successfully implement it. If the policy is already in place, most parents will know what they can and cannot send.
I understand,but why stop at peanuts. Nothing allowed that has gluten ( bread,cakes etc ) because a child might be severely allergic. No more dairy either. l
Peanut allergies are pervasive and have more deadly impact than any other widespread food allergies, given that minute amounts in the air can be transported to an allergic child. Gluten is not such a concern. If a parent insists on sending peanut butter sandwiches to school, after warnings, the children of that parent should be expelled. Its not a joking matter or one that should require more than one warning and your out.
DY: I am pretty sure that my son’s yeshiva has this policy in place and we do our best to abide by it. Is it possible that we miss an allergy warning on snack “x”? Yes, it’s possible but we do our best.
It does get harder as children get older and start to prepare their own snacks (or buy it on the way to yeshiva).
The public schools in our area communities are all peanut free
The day schools do NOT allow any students to bring food (including snacks) into the buildings so it was easy to institute a peanut free rule.Both public schools and day schools have soybutter and jelly sandwiches as lunch choices for those not wanting the hot meal.
If you’re willing to expel people for bringing peanuts, why not just be proactive and insist that children with peanut allergies go to special schools?
Soybutter is an abomination.
To RebYid
Its not a big deal to restrict certain foods from yeshivos. Do we inspect the kitchens of every baal haabyis who sends their kids to school to be certain all meet the highest standards of hashgacha? Kids share foods so that’s why many schools don’t allow ANY food to be brought in from the outside, even from a top of the line market with Chassideshe hashgacha. Giving up peanuts is no big deal. Sending all kids with peanut allergies to special schools is such a disgusting idea, your idea of a sick joke is really inappropriate for the CR.
No, because peanut butter is not a crime. Schools don’t accommodate anything but peanut allergies. Why should peanut allergies be allowed to inconvenience everyone else?
Gadolhadorah, I don’t appreciate your tone.
If a child has a peanut allergy, it is because he abused peanuts in a previous gilgul.
Severe milk allergies are fairly common and pretty much never accommodated.
The issue is not “tone”….its not a joke to suggest that ANY child with special-needs should be pulled out of regular schools and forced to attend classes in some remote location. Whether you meant it in jest, sarcasm or whatever, there are too many parents suffering from the stigma of having their children sidetracked when the obligation of the school, yeshiva or public, is to accommodate their needs within the regular instructional programs.
RebYidd23
My grandchildren’s day school has Almond and Rice milk for the lactose intolerant and a dairy free choice every day (it may be the Soy Butter sandwich, or a pasta with tomato sauce and vegetables).it also depends on ages.. in my elementary school, there are no nuts allowed, and its strictly enforced. in my high school in one office and by the day care place they enforce it everywhere else its whatever
Godolhadorah, there is no evidence that it is good for normal children to be around kids like that.
Sending kids with disabilities to special schools that accommodate their needs is a joke to you?Ironically, recent research indicates that it is very removal of peanuts from children’s diets is what is causing the later sensitivity. Growing up, everyone ate peanuts in all forms and no one had allergies. Israelis eat peanuts virtually from birth and have virtually no incidents of peanut allergies
Sending kids to schools that accommodate the needs of severely disabled children is not only right but a requirement of law when a regular school cannot provide for that child’s needs. However, I don’t find any equivalence between normal kids with a peanut allergy that might inconvenience a few parents whose kids like PB&J sandwiches for lunch and kids whose severe disability means they cannot function in a regular classroom and require intensive personalized care. Its not rocket science. The two are not analogous.
“that might inconvenience a few parents whose kids like PB&J sandwiches for lunch ”
this line seems to be your misunderstanding of other people’s struggles. And if you take a step back and realize that it implies that someone would argue on this because it is an inconvenience for them is highly insulting. Obviously there is a piece you are missing/not open to hearing.
My Children’s and grandchildren’s Yeshiva has had a no peanut policy in pace for many years. Any teacher or Rebbi that has a child in their class that is highly allergic, is given an Epi pen (supplied by the parent) and instructed in its use. The weekly newsletter sent home with the children has a very prominent reminder. When a party is made in the classroom, Rebbi or Morah checks the snacks brought.
Not worth litigating further…I think we all agree that accommodations need to be made where feasible….we agree to disagree on where is the line between accommodation and entitlement and when one person’s accommodation encroaches on another’s sense of right or entitlement not to forego certain activities
The peanut is the greatest of the legumes, the crown of the rosids, the glory of the plantae. It can be an oil, a flour, a butter, a nut, or almost anything in the world. It has inspired games, films, comic strips, music groups and various other forms of art. It can be made into soup, candy, breads, cakes, and of course Bamba. It can also be used for animal feed, paint, polish, paper, and many other things. Peanuts help fight malnutrition. They are truly a blessing. And taking this blessing away from people is not something that should be taken lightly.
Early exposure can help prevent allergies more than banning peanuts prevents accidental exposure.ry23: you wrote “Early exposure can help prevent allergies more than banning peanuts prevents accidental exposure.” I am not sure how early you want to expose your child to peanuts. Will it help ward off future sensitivity? Very possible. However, once someone knows that a person has reacted to peanuts then everything should be done to help that person avoid it. My wife used to baby sit a girl who was highly allergic to fish. When that child was in the house we did not even cook fish as we knew she could react.
During pregnancy and in the first two years.
“Not worth litigating further”
Absolutely correct. Until someone is willing to stop considering ‘the other side’ to be seeking entitlement rights there is definitely nothing to talk about.
And for the record, it is not your place, nor anyone’s to decide that physical health and emotional health are not congruent.RY23: I don’t recall my wife avoiding peanuts/peanut butter when she was pregnant nor did my daughter. I am not sure about giving peanuts to someone under 2 yoa but I see nothing wrong with them having peanut butter.
DY -“You want to punish the innocent and let the guilty go scot free.”
The only ones that are the guilty is the government!
And it’s not D. Trump, who’s trying to change the way Washington DC works!
There is this mentality in this country that certain individuals have more rights than others!
I won’t go into details, except for this topic.
Do you know that they invented a peanut that has no allergic antigens?
Why doesn’t the government require all peanut growers to use this peanut?
Oh I know, because the so-called government is so worried about Russian collusion!Health, did you eat too many peanuts?
Did you know that sesame seeds are the peanut butter of Israel?
Well kind of.
Some children have sesame seed allergies.
Sesame seed paste – tahina (tahini) is popular on pita bread, like peanut butter was/is popular on sliced bread in the US (possibly in other Western nations?)
And finally, kids watch Sesame Street in Israel, Rachov Sumsum – instead of Peanut Street like kids watch here
LC -“Health, did you eat too many peanuts?”
Hey, how many times did you pull the lever for Hil-Liar-y Clinton?!?
LB (and others)
Did you know that there are tremendously fewer people allergic to peanuts here in EY than in places like US and England. The advice given to pregnant women used to be to stay away from highly allergic things, like peanuts, during pregnancy and not to give these things to children in the first two years. But in EY, bamba is the favorite snack of all children and is given to babies as little as 4-6 months old (depending on when they start food). Researchers in the last few years are beginning to find that early exposure (and not avoiding exposure during pregnancy) unless there are high risk factors for the allergy are not necessary for the average woman and baby and that early exposure of things like peanuts when giving the baby first foods is becoming more recommended. Again, this is in cases when there are no high risk factors for a potential peanut allergy for that family. I think I even saw online this week some kind of product that provides low-level exposure and steadily increases it (something like allergy shots) that is being made for peanut allergies. I have no other information about it, but hopefully peanut allergies will decline in the future, given the newer recommendations about consumption.I don’t believe all this gibberish. Y don’t ppl just do what they want like in the olden days? Like if u want to eat peanut butter, eat at home and wash ur hands and mouth. Like what’s the big deal…..
As often is the case here, posters are showing off their ignorance.
Milk allergy, gluten sensitivity, NOT AIRBORNE ALLERGIES. – A child will not have a reaction to it if someone else is eating it, he/she needs to eat it to have a reaction.
Peanut allergies – AIRBORNE. Which means, a child can be on the other side of the room of someone eating it, or touch the door handle after someone who ate peanuts touched it, and have a reaction. Not just sneezing, or a bellyache, but full fledged, life threatening, anaphalactic shock – allergic reaction.
As far as special schools for kids with allergies – much better to have special schools for children of insensitive, intolerant people.chardal – Well said, obviously some will always have an alternative view on this subject. However, as you stated that unlike most other allergens, those allergic to peanuts can have a life threatening reaction even if they just inhale some of the peanut particles.
While some schools made the peanut free policy after being asked to do so by parents, other schools did so only when they had students that had a life threatening emergency in school.
Wrong. Any allergen that is airborne is an airborne allergy. Gluten is different. And it is a myth that the airborne allergen is the same as touching or eating a peanut. Also, milk is a liquid that easily spills on the table from the non-allergic kid to the allergic kid. As for special schools, stop being a whiny little snowflake and admit that that would keep allergic kids safer while allowing non-allergic kids to live a healthier lifestyle.
If airborne peanuts are as bad as you say, resistance is futile.
Its sad that some posters wanting to isolate kids with special needs from allergies rather than accommodating those needs to the extent possible seem unable to show some empathy. Perhaps if their own kids or grandkids were those suffering, it might enhance their understanding. That may be what it will take.
It’s sad that some posters wanting to integrate kids with special needs seem to think that anyone who doesn’t doesn’t know anyone with allergies.
Also, a school for kids with allergies would be better than a regular school.Every time I see this topic, it makes me want to eat some peanuts. Does that mean I’m deficient in some middah?
Chardal- I think your response is displaying more ignorance than you realize. You may want to get out there and see what happens in real life outside the dictionary and websites. That information sounds nice but doesn’t hold water to real life people.
GH- you know what really is pathetic? pulling that ‘if it was your kid or grandkid’ garbage. You haven’t a clue if it IS my kid. You have the chutzpah to say we are lacking empathy when we have come up with several possible solutions that actually are IN PLACE and WORKING in many schools to accommodate peanut allergies when YOUR response to our claim of suffering on the other side is to call us entitled. What a chutzpah. Do you have the decency to even wonder why, ask why, think that there may be a valid reason? What double standards! Maybe I should wish on you a child (or even a grandchild!) who suffers the other way and then, when your eyes open and you learn what the word empathy REALLY means there won’t be a hole deep enough to bury yourself in!
I didnt read much of the OPs original post, or many of the replies.
just wish to comment. Is it SO terrible if a child goes without peanuts or peanut based foods/snacks during school hours? So, peanuts, peanut butter and (insert your favorite food/snack containing peanuts here) isnt available to the student from 8am to 4pm. Is it the end of the world?
It’s also peanut skin cream, peanut cosmetics, peanut-enhanced textiles.
apushutayid – thank you for being the first person to actually put it out there (albeit with a derogatory tone) that there might actually be a reason. Funny how that seemed to get by everyone else.
In answer to your question I will ask you a question (ultimate Jew) – You have ‘known’ me quite a while. If there wasn’t a serious and legitimate issue, would I really be arguing about this?Yidd 23 -“It’s also peanut skin cream, peanut cosmetics, peanut-enhanced textiles.”
What would happen if the peanut growers used the non-allergenic peanut?!?
Btw, I like peanuts, but anybody that’s allergic and comes to my house – don’t worry I got an epi-pen!Peanut growers don’t have access to the non-allergenic peanut. Even if a completely allergy free alternative becomes available, it will be heavily patented and therefore not worth it for most farmers.
Yidd23 -” it will be heavily patented and therefore not worth it for most farmers.”
It is patented, but my point was the government should pay farmers to use it.
That’s what I wrote previously – certain people have more rights (peanut farmers, like Jimmeeey Carter) than others (not just the people with allergies, but also those that are forced to accommodate those people with allergies, whether right or wrong)!
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