Peace Plan

Doingmybest,

I never said one democratic state would be best. I said I think two states would be best. I just said that I think the Arabs would be happy with one state. As far as the infrastructure involved in their state. That would be their issue to figure out. That’s the idea. Give it back to them, let them deal with it and make it very clear that attacking you is just not worth it.

Avik,

1.) Regarding Terorist attacks. Your right we have no idea. I’m not sure this is an argument for Israel keeping control of the area though. The idea is that there would be less if they had a state and something to lose by engaging in terror as opposed to trying to run a country. On the same note this is why Hamas isn’t scared to attack. It’s not because they are more brave or hateful then the Saudis or Iranians, it’s becasue the Saudis and Iranians have economic and strategic reasons to not attack, while Hamas has nothing to lose.

2.) it doesn’t matter if the British or whomever ruled them previously. It would be great for Israel if the British were still trying to rule them as opposed to Israel. The colonialism of the British empire was terrible. Not something Israel should try and emulate.

3.) BDS is horrible, counterproductive and mostly composed of actual anti semites. We probably both agree on the BDS movement. I think commerce between Israelis and Palistinians is probably the single best way to get both sides to see each other as human beings.

Winniethepooh,

1.) I disagree that the reason why their leaders show no inclination to suicide is becasue they can get the masses to do their dirty work. I think that they show no inclination to suicide becasue they like Olam Hazah as much as anyone else.

2.) They really cannot build an economy the way things are right now. Whether the situation for the Jews around the founding of the state is analogous to their current situation or not (and I don’t think it really is). The facts are that the way the Jews were being treated then by the British and the Arabs was wrong. It’s not behavior that it makes sense to emulate.

3.) I agree that living in non Jewish majority countries and being ruled by Non Jews is not ideal.
That’s why I keep saying that two states would be better then one democratic state in its place. I guess I can’t really argue with the approach of just throwing up your hands and saying “your right this is not sustainable but let’s just keep it this way until moshiach comes and figures it out for us”. But you have to realize that the situation isn’t sitting still in the meanwhile. It’s actually getting worse and worse and the fact that the state and whole this whole mess was created against the advice of just about every religious Jewish leader at the time just makes it seem like a bit of a cop out.

646,
1. a. The Iranians don’t attack because they still do not have long-range missiles and are busy in Syria. The Saudis have made peace with the idea that Israel is here to stay. They are also mostly concerned with Iran. There is an Arabic saying that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
b. If Arafat would not accept 99% and certainly would not recognize Israel what will the much weaker Abbas do? Besides, he obviously lies the present situation, as does Hamas, because he has not declared a state.
c. Abbas is 83, sick and has no successor. What will happen after he goes?
d. Do you believe that Hashem gave it to us? If so, would you agree to share your house with someone who comes in and squats?
3. I agree regarding economic cooperation but that does not require giving them a state. There can be some kind of extraterritorial Jordanian arrangement.

Also they can’t declare a state without US (and by extension Israeli consent.