Overuse of the word “neis”

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  • January 19, 2025 8:24 am at 8:24 am #2353610
    mentsch1
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    Here is a question I got from an older son this week
    If yeshiva world calls the fact that a sefer Torah was saved from the LA fires a “neis” and that sefer Torah was in a fire proof safe.
    Then what do you call it when the secular media reports that a statue of Mary , that was completely out in the open, was untouched by the fire?
    Is that also a neis?

    January 19, 2025 12:37 pm at 12:37 pm #2353898
    ujm
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    The Internet and its anonymous amaratzim has become the go-to place for answers regarding chinuch?

    January 19, 2025 12:38 pm at 12:38 pm #2353953
    yungermanS
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    With Hashem running the entire world and everything with a plan and accounting for. Anything is possible for Hashem to do with a flip of a finger with his malachim and sending them to do anything like Hashem sent Malach Gavriel to destroy the entire army of Sancheiriv and the way it was done by having the chayos sing the holy spirit song of praise to Hashem it removed their souls from their bodies and they were all immediately dead with no war at all to kill such a large army.

    If we start to put our COMPLETE FAITH AND TRUST IN HASHEM then Hashem will take care of all our needs as we say in bentching from Tehillim chapter 34 Vdorshei Hashem…. Which means for one who seeks out Hashem directly-not through messengers like rebbas or segulahs etc….-lacks nothing that is good.

    January 19, 2025 12:38 pm at 12:38 pm #2353960
    Always_Ask_Questions
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    We have a discussion in perek shlishi of Taanis – what is called normal or abnormal house collapse. If you did not build the house well, then house collapse is not something that requires extra praying or fasting. So, maybe you can apply same logic. Was the Torah protected well, etc

    January 19, 2025 10:21 pm at 10:21 pm #2354116
    Kuvult
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    All over the Internet are pics of “Devout xtians” whose whole neighborhood burned down except their house. (Xtian) Bibles that survived when nothing else did.
    My Rebbe explained if Neisim only happened to Yidden we would lose our free will especially concerning the correct religion. How can a Yid be rewarded for following Judaism when he saw only Jewish holy objects experience Neisim? So yes, if unnaturally a Torah or a statue of Mary survives they are BOTH Neisim.

    January 20, 2025 9:08 am at 9:08 am #2354186
    mentsch1
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    Actually neither are a “neis” hence the title of my post.
    Both are hashgocho pratis and there is a difference
    The word neis should be reserved for something clearly outside the realm of nature
    Another case in point from this week
    Shrapnel from a downed missile falling on a house and not causing injuries is not, as YW reported, a “neis”
    Had the missile been intact , and the warhead not gone off when it hit the house, that would have been a “neis”

    January 20, 2025 9:09 am at 9:09 am #2354192
    mentsch1
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    And ujm
    As my post to kuvult just now makes clear l am trying to reach those that run this site rather than solicit opinions
    I told my kid that this site is wrong for using the terminology

    January 20, 2025 1:41 pm at 1:41 pm #2354401
    Always_Ask_Questions
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    mentch, often having a “nes” is a last-resort action to protect someone and may take away your zechuyot. To use your analogy, you will be better off using air defence to protect your home than relying on the nes to have debris falling around you. In Taanis 20, R Huna is using zechuoyos of another Chacham to save wine from a shaky building and the chacham is not happy about that.

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