Overturn Lawrence v. Texas

“spare me the cheeseburger comparison. Goyim are allowed to eat cheeseburgers”

Im sorry if you misunderstood, I meant The fact that Goyim do esnt affect us.
If you dont like cheeseburger example. I can change it

(In response to this: “I think it does effect us. If i see a non jew eating a cheesburger, it is totaly fine with me. I grew a certain definition of marriage and consider it normal. Despite the world changing their mind, for the most part my own personal outlook isn’t changed, ”)

I dont follow you Goyim worship avodah zarah (whether Hindus, or christians according to thsoe that shituf is assur for goyim) we dont, goyim have 2 men marry we dont.
Its simple as that.

“Nobody is celebrating chamas.”

1) that isnt true.
2) It still doesnt seem to bother you (not you personally I dont know you in real life) as mush as this issue does. Look at current events and many comments both on line and irl defending or downplaying recent acts of chamas. The Torah says Chamas caused a mabul. improper buisness practices are also called toeivah lets spend energy stamping out those then we will move on to correcting goyim

If I understand your perspective, any behavior or communal committment explicitly addressed in the Torah is a fundamental moral imperative….everything else is a discretionary policy choice over which reasonable yidden might disagree. I guess that works for you but what about the young child of a single mother who would like to observe the mitzvah of “u’shamartem es nofshosechem” but sadly lacks the resources to provide for preventive health care. Is it the responsibility of the tzibur to provide a social safety net or simply allow for those who want to voluntarily give tzadakah to do so and if not, the child may be at risk from fatal childhood diseases.

Regardless of one’s adherence to the Torah, it is both immoral and cruel to force individuals who do not follow the religion to follow your own specific guidelines. It is most certainly not our place to dictate the law of the land as it pertains to same-sex marriage, nor is it our place to dictate any law from a strictly religious standpoint. The separation of church and state exists for a reason.

Akuperma, we have an obligation to be a light unto the nations. How to do so is a machloket between Rav S.R. Hirsch, who says that the way is to be part of their societies, and Rav Kook, who says that the way is to establish a Torah society in EY which will be an example for them. There are also rabbanim in both Chul and EY who are advisors to Bnei Noach groups.

If someone holds like Rav Hirsch and has an interest in law (s)he (Judge Rachel Freier comes to mind) should work hard and advance in the judicial system. Perhaps even become the first Jewish Chief Justice of
SCOTUS (while there have been several associate justices there has never been a Jewish CJ – Abe Fortas was nominated by LBJ but withdrew after a scandal regarding lecture payments broke). Those who hold like Rav Kook should do the same in Israel (in fact, Justice Minister Shaked has expressed a desire to bring Chareidim into the judicial system and even instituted a program to attain this (you can google שרת המשפטים איילת שקד סיכמה עם נשיאת העליון מרים נאור לקצר את תהליך כניסת מועמדים חרדים לשפיטה לאור תת הייצוג במערכת ומתוך מטרה לראות “שופט חרדי ).