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I’d rather pay membership at 2 shuls than have one rabbi think he’s my rav.
(Add what you overheard)
At most shuls, all that paying dues gives you is a right to reserve a specific seat for three days a year. Shul hopping is a well established and ancient custom. My guess is the “kiddush club” was affecting the person’s judgement skills.
Popa, what were you doing at a kiddush club? Don’t you know the gedolim declared them assur?
“Guys, Guys! Scram! The Gabbai is coming!”
I wouldn’t object to the KC, per se, IF it were to take place only AFTER the davening was over. The problem is, the guys are going out in the middle of leining, or the Haftara, or even Mussaf, and that is deplorable to me. Exactly WHAT part of Shabbos morning in Shul is irrelevant at which to be present?
Agreeing with you again, oomis.
I never knew that kiddush clubs like that really existed. I was sure it was some kind of urban legend and that snopes would declare it all a hoax. Until one day I attended a simcha in an unfamiliar neighborhood at an unfamiliar shul. I walked out after sheini with a child that was getting antsy. And in a room off the main hallway I saw a couple of men wearing talleisim and eating. Also, it seemed, drinking. I later commented to my husband on this strange inexplicable phenomenon. I wondered if they belonged to a different minyan in that building that finished before us. Although there hadn’t seemed to be any place where there could have been one. My husband explained that no, there was no other minyan, and no, I wasn’t hallucinating.
Live and learn.
Ah, pba follows the Heilige Berditchever!
I’ll grant you that it’s not ideal to cut out of davening to eat and drink, but it’s a foreseeable consequence of davening that unnecessarily takes an hour and a half too long.
PBA: R’ Levi Yitzchak on YCT:
“Even while they’re being women, they wear tefillin! Me k’amcha yisrael!”
Veltz M – That’s one of the most brilliant observations that I’ve heard in a long time.
Popa – What bottles do they serve at your kiddush club? All over 18 tears, I hope. Open to new members?
Veltz Meshuganer- agreed 100%. People have limited attention spans. I personally would rather they be by a kiddush club then talking in shul and distracting everyone else…
18 tears? Wow, that must be strong stuff! 😛
The sermon. in some shuls. “
And although that was a cute answer, I have a serious response. For kovod haRav alone, it is really improper to walk out just as he begins his drosha. Even if and when it is boring. That is a D’var TORAH he is giving over. Just not nice to walk out. We have to do a lot of things in life that we might not care too much to do. Having and acting with simple derech eretz may be a tircha for some people, but they are the ones most in need of it. And if the sermon is really bad, remember that lifum tz’arah agrah. You get extra brownie points for staying and listening.
I never knew that kiddush clubs like that really existed. I was sure it was some kind of urban legend and that snopes would declare it all a hoax.
Alas, when I was a young child, I attended a shul that had a kiddush club. Having no father or older brothers present in the shul, however, may have helped me, in that no one that I looked at as a Jewish role model attended one.
In the shuls that I’ve davened in regularly for the last twenty six years, there was no “kiddush club” during davening.
The Wolf
are kidash club members orthoprax?
Oomis, take a look at my previous post, and click on the second link.
Kidush clubs are a way of making sure that one never suffers an alcohol deficiency.
Oomis, take a look at my previous post, and click on the second link. “
YUP
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