OUTRAGES?! Violence in Jerusalem

At the rate things are going, it isn’t long before the chareidim turn on themselves.

bein_hasdorim – you are right – we are not Goyim & we Shouldn’t act like them!!! But, the one thing is clear – there is a Yiddishe lady locked up in jail. She either is innocent & the story is made up or she is unwell. But, either way – she shouldn’t be locked up like a criminal. So, untill they let her out of jail – the protests must continue.

Joseph, I’ll tell you what would be kangaroo justice (besides for the NYC traffic court system). If the law of the land were relaxed when the accused belonged to a certain group, that would be kangaroo justice. Just because a person belongs to a certain clan, they cannot be exempted from the rules that govern all citizens of the country, even if the clan promises to discipline and resolve the problem internally.

By what reasoning should this mother be treated any differently from any other mother suspected of abusing her child? She is not being singled out for any unusual discipline.

Unfortunately, I believe the chareidi leaders are not saying anything because they are beginning to realize that all these years of preaching verbal violence against the state has created a major monster that is now out of control. They can’t suddenly tell their followers to respect and trust the judgment of the state in this matter, as it will go against everything they have taught until now. But they don’t want to be seen as instigating violence because of the backlash by many frum parents who send their kids to Israel and financially support their schools. So the best approach here is the wise approach of the ostrich–stick one’s head in the sand.

Mark my words, I believe that we are seeing the anti-zionist movement self-destruct and crumble right here before our very eyes. They have now publicly made themselves out to be so backwards, primitive and cruel as to support a child abuser against a benevolent (even to them) and charitable hospital, that nobody can take them seriously any more. They have become the laughingstock of Judaism. It was a movement that was born in sinas chinam and sheker, and has now found its fitting end in more sinas chinam and more sheker. Rest in Peace.

Joseph’s posts here –

“Joseph, so what is their legal process? Kangaroo ‘justice’.”

“squeak: Agreed. She shouldn’t. Who is accusing her? Jackbooted zionists and their media enablers. If there are real allegations, we have a system of justice. Its called the Torah. And Beis Din. Throwing a mother in prison, before even being tried, is a crime.”

You obviously have little appreciation for ‘gray’ – the responses here indicate that you live in a black and white world, which it most certainly is not. How can you even entertain the idea that the court system is filled with kangaroo justice. That is possibly the most ignorant, boorish belief that I’ve ever heard. Israel isn’t the USSR, Saddam’s Iraq, Islamic Iran, North Korea, or China. It’s a civilized country with a civilized court system. I’d find it hard to deny that there may be bias, but not in the least enough to label a system as “kangaroo.”

Second, let’s say you do believe that all “zionists” will instinctively seek to villify a chareidi, how does that answer the original poster’s question? How does that justify the massive chillul Hashem being perpetrated by the protesters? Massive chillul Hashem it most certainly is; I’ve found myself fielding questions from incredulous co-workers. How does it justify violent rioting? Why does this always occur in Israel and not in the US? When Satmar chassidim in Williamsburg deem a practice (say, opening a bike lane) offensive to their sensibilities, they go about their business in a CIVILIZED manner, going through legal, effective channels that civilly voice their objections – and that approach has a good record of working.

Third – I take great offense at your description of “zionists” as jackbooted. I think you and the rest of us know very, very well what connotation that word carries, and it is disgusting, just DISGUSTING to refer to any Jew in that manner. It shows what kind of stark black and white world that you live in. I’d take greater care choosing your words very carefully.

I already welcomed you back when you started posting again, but only now can I say it with full meaning –

WELCOME BACK JOSEPH!!!!

SJS: In your hypothetical, and the mother wasn’t well and abused her child, clearly the child and the mother should be separated. That does not mean a Jewish mother should be imprisoned prior to a just determination. The protests here are against the imprisonment of a Jewish mother, rather than against separation. (With the allegations hurled against her not credible itself.)

Incorrect cantoresq. Torah Jews preceded (and will succeed) the zionists in Eretz Yisroel. I love Eretz Yisroel. It is those that defile it (the zionists), that are reprehensible.

“place as Medinat Yisrael”

you misunderstand, cantor, a most profound error.

medinat Yisroel is not a “place”.

there IS a place however. it is known as Eretz Yisroel

it is the most holy place in the universe

it is the land of Hashem

it is the land of those who do Hashems Will, follow his Torah and his laws.

ndeed Israel is worse than the USSR, Saddam’s Iraq, Islamic Iran, North Korea, and China. It is an uncivilized country with an unjust court system.

There goes any credibility…

Calling them jackbooted is an understatement.

There goes any sensitivity for your fellow man…

They are murderous thugs who have no morals

There goes the issur of Loshon Horah…

and will stoop to contently new lows in their fight against Jews and Judaism. They will leave no stone unturned in their fight against the Torah.

There goes any connection to reality…

The Wolf