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Jent, please write more clearly. You obviously have inteligent things to say, but people cant understand half of what your saying! spelling, half sentences and references all garbled. What’s the point?
to ir hakodeh..cnt’ d..you say ‘i have a feeling …you feel jews who don’t do what you do…’ me am stumped, dont know what you mean ‘dont do as you do’,do mean if i play chess and they dont play chess?..or if i have chevy impala and they have a cutless ? or do you mean lets say if me wears a gartel and you dont wear a gartel you are less yiddish, why on earth should it be so? so can you explain what do you mean by jews who do..are less than me.is it, lets say, me is born to jewish mother and the other not jewish mother ,then he is not jewish at all, not less jewish.do you mean that when we feel someone is oiver on a prat of the toireh,or kol hatorah kilo, or when one is malik al divrei chachaminm ,or mechazek those who mock the ribonishel oilom and his torah like those posters we refer to and we (and not only mir but plenty other posters who understand what means, ‘u’lefi shlo micho’,mes.shabbos). so by that you say me hold those jews less? less what ,in what sense, posil l’eaidus, be metzaref for minyon? where do you see we said as such..so again, what do you mean by ‘less than you’ which is me
to ir hakodesh..you say al tistakel b’kankan..here, again , dont underestand vu kumt dos arein..you refer to statements about crocs..do you mean my statements about crocs,mir nit said anything negetive ..if yes can you point which page. do you mean other posters,they were discussing halach and each according how they understsand pshat in the mihsneh brureh. you say ‘i’m sure the the riboni shel oilom..’are you also from those who have a direct line to the riboni shel oilom and are sure what he wants..we’ll if you want to know what the ribni shel oilom wants, its very simple, he gave exact instuctions, its called torah sh’besav WITH torah s’bal peh,which consists of arbai chelkai sulchen urech, one and indevisible (just like the US ask lincoln,see me knows secular ed). what you say ‘HE cares whats in peoples neshomos..then what they are wearing..’ so this sentence of you yours , is megalai klonoch you are from the ‘other’ side, because thats what the oivrei toireh come with,’does the riboni shel oilon care if we eat treif,strike an match shabbos etc, etc’AS LONG AS WE HAVE A GOOD JEWISH HEART ,(WHATEVER THAT MEANS).SO IN S’U orach chaim 91clochos are disscussed what attire one should wear when davening wi, and you come with ‘i am sure that..’ so are we not right about what we thinkwhich ‘side’ you stand. now ow we hapeyou dont thing that mir consider you ‘LESS JEWISH’ by saing this.YOU CAN DEFINATELY SAY ONLT THE RIBONI SHEL OILONM KNOWS WHO IS MORE,WITH ALL OUR PSHETLECH YOU CAN BE MORE IN THE RIBSO ‘EYES’ THAN ME..BUT WE STILL HAVE TO POINT OUT WHAT WE THINkYOU ARE WRONG
to ir hakodesh page 3 (2nd0) you say ‘ehrliche yid such as you ‘ can you point out where we said we are ehrlicha yid? just trying to emulate them but not there yet..
Jent may I ask you a personla question? Do you say mir/we when you talk too?
jent…i don’t know if you read my previous post but as far as your writing “if me wears a gartel and you dont wear a gartel” that is not a problem for me because if i wore a gartel it would be considered “beged ish”. i am repeating myself here that i am NOT mr. irhakodesh, but mrs. irhakodesh. i do not want to ch’v be “oiver” on “mipnei iveir al titen michshol”, since you probably don’t want to be “marbeh sichah im haisha”. it is absolutely true that “mir nit said anything negetive” – you didn’t. that is why i added in or hats or jackets…but you always speak about “we” when you post so i was talking about your buddies on your “so called” side. you asked me to state which side i am on. i don’t take sides, but i do think that you have put me on one and that is just fine. as far as telling mir that “if you want to know what the ribni shel oilom wants, its very simple, he gave exact instuctions, its called torah sh’besav WITH torah s’bal peh,which consists of arbai chelkai sulchen urech, one and indevisible” b.h. i too have learned torah shebichtav and torah shebalpeh. have you ever heard of “shivim panim latorah?”
when you say that “i am sure the the riboni shel oilom..’are you also from those who have a direct line to the riboni shel oilom and are sure what he wants..” the answer is yes, i do have a direct line and so do you … it’s called t’fillah…and i believe that HKBH is a “keil rachum vchanun erech apaim vrav chesed vemet” i believe that we are supposed to emulate those virtues and i try to each day of my life.
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“‘does the riboni shel oilon care if we eat treif,strike an match shabbos etc, etc’AS LONG AS WE HAVE A GOOD JEWISH HEART ,(WHATEVER THAT MEANS).SO IN S’U orach chaim 91clochos are disscussed what attire one should wear when davening wi, and you come with ‘i am sure that..’ so are we not right about what we thinkwhich ‘side’ you stand. now ow we hapeyou dont thing that mir consider you ‘LESS JEWISH’ by saing this.YOU CAN DEFINATELY SAY ONLT THE RIBONI SHEL OILONM KNOWS WHO IS MORE,WITH ALL OUR PSHETLECH YOU CAN BE MORE IN THE RIBSO ‘EYES’ THAN ME..BUT WE STILL HAVE TO POINT OUT WHAT WE THINkYOU ARE WRONG”
yes, i believe the kbh does care if we eat treif, strike a match on shabbos…etc…of course i do! however i also believe that hkbh made ten dibrot, five bein adam lamakom and five ben adam l’chaveiros…now why would he do that if only all the things you are talking about are important? FIFTY percent is about how we treat one another! so, if i have misunderstood you then i apologize…but i don’t think that the other side treats you like you treat them….i think that they believe “eilu v’eilu” and they don’t judge you. they are being someich on what their rabeim have taught them. perhaps hkbh expects different things from different people. and since you are so learned and obviously a chashuva guy since you always speak for a lot of people “we” maybe hkbh holds you to a high standard on the chaveiros as well as on the makoms…now i know that you will tell me that these posters are not your chaverim, but maybe, just maybe give them a chance and the mashiach will arrive this tisha b’av. i truly wish you and your side and easy fast and a year full of bracha and hatzlacha…as well as ALL of am yisrael!
jent…I believe that this is where you referred to yourself as ehrlicha yid…”to “workingman” page 1 can you please explain what the term “holier than thou” means .have heard it used many times,wi’ll not go into who uses it vs. against whom its used. Not the definition of the words, but give us example of what one does that makes him holier than the 2nd guy.and the 2nd guy gets upset and tells the first guy “dont be holier than thou”..by the way we havent come across this term being used by ehrliche bnei torah, so congratulations, your the 1st…or maybe you arent from that group?
As reb chaim brisker said..when it hurts, you scream..even if it doesn’t accomplish much, these things bother (or should bother) us enough to scream from the rooftops – we, including myself, dont understand the severity of aveiros and issues that are seen as minor in our community, and you can determine which things are minor with a laser-pointer between materialism and our community – whatever materialsim, i.e., american society, says is wrong, we understand to be wrong, like murder and theft, but when it comes to things we cant see the immediate results of, like lashon hora, tznius, or anything else, basically, 80% of thew mitzvos if not more, we only keep because we know we have to, without understanding how terrible it is.
If someone said about a yid that r”l murdered someone, ‘well, we cant correct him, we cant turn him off to judaism, so let’s just be warm and accepting of his new lifestyle, after all, he’s just expressing himself, and what right do we have to judge others?’
and yet, we find this sentiment by many aveiros that are tantamount to murder, or in the same league. why? because america in all its tumah has had a norediga hashpaah on us – wake up, and see this for what it is – anyone who sits quietly by while klal yisroel suffers from themselves..i feel sorry for.
at the risk of sounding foolish, matisyohu who exactly is your comment directed to and how does it fit into this thread?
irhakodesh – the general theme was about tochacha, and about voicing opposition to trends or problems that we find in our communities – the poster said we shouldnt do this, since it doesnt accomplish anything..hence the reb chaim i quoted
thank you for the clarification. have a meaningful fast and Shabbos. actually the other way around…
Think Big asked “Jent may I ask you a personal question? Do you say mir/we when you talk too?”
He answered this towards the bottom of the page at:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/how-to-increase-tzinius/page/4
Thanks Joseph, I read that too. But did he say if he talks like that too? It’s not so clear. Whatever, if his wife and friends don’t mind, it’s fine with me.
Jent, this one’s for you: Mir heard a shiur recently by Rabbi Ephrayim Wachsman, shlit”a, where he decried the tendency towards “Anochius” in todays generation. He said (and mir doesn’t know if this is fact) that the single most commonly used word in all languages is the word “I” He also mentioned that we have made our “anochius” into a form of avoda zara, because Hashem said “anochi Hashem elokecha”, so if you think you are also anochi, then you are saying Hashem is not your only G-d, c”v.
This concept fits in well with your message, mir thinks, does it not? 🙂
to thing big…rabbi wachsman took this shmuss from same mekor
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