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  • #1198269
    Sparkly
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    Meno – i asked to contact them but they took that post down.

    #1198270
    Health
    Participant

    Sparkly – Organic chemistry can’t be as hard as they claim! I took Chem 1 & 2. OC is an offshoot from that!

    They say it’s based on the Carbon molecule.

    #1198271
    Sparkly
    Member

    Health – chem 1 and 2 were killers as well but this is suppose to be even worse so thats why im scared:(

    #1198272
    Meno
    Participant

    “They say it’s based on the Carbon molecule.”

    What could be hard about that?

    #1198273
    Sparkly
    Member

    Meno – if its so easy please let me know how to answer this question “

    Determine whether the following compounds are constitutional isomers”? Also this is one of the easier questions.

    #1198274
    Meno
    Participant

    First of all I was being sarcastic.

    But anyway, how could I answer that question if you don’t list the compounds?

    #1198275
    Sparkly
    Member

    Meno – i said in general. i didnt take your sarcasm since its online.

    #1198276
    Sparkly
    Member

    good news everyone interesting organic chemistry is becoming MORE fun b’h!!

    #1198277
    Meno
    Participant

    I still wanna hear the choices for that question

    #1198278
    Sparkly
    Member

    Meno – did you ever take organic chemistry?

    #1198279
    from Long Island
    Participant

    My daughter is an OT and i believe she took all these courses, both as an undergrad, and then in graduate school.

    She (under advisement from older students) took them as summer courses, one at a time, since they take alot of study & lab time.

    When in graduate school, the students who did not take these courses as undergraduates, had a much more difficult time then she did.

    I would think that learning how the body & body chemistys’ work, would re-inforce our religious beliefs – what a wonderous thing the human body is !!

    FYI, we all say “asher Yatzar” without thinking what it really means, but when my grandson was born with a minor issue that impaired his ability to use his lower colon, I realized what an incredible tefillah we say all the time. The things we take for granted !

    #1198280
    Sparkly
    Member

    from Long Island – the ot i know DO NOT need organic chemistry. the ONLY people who NEED organic chemistry are either chemical engineer, chemistry majors, pharmacists, dentists, doctors and some other fields but NOT that many people need this course its a VERY TOUGH course MOST of the people in my class are becoming pharmacists and a few doctors and dentists.

    #1198281
    Health
    Participant

    Sparkly -“the ONLY people who NEED organic chemistry are either chemical engineer, chemistry majors, pharmacists, dentists, doctors and some other fields but NOT that many people need this course its a VERY TOUGH course MOST of the people in my class are becoming pharmacists and a few doctors and dentists.”

    I practice medicine and I never took organic chemistry!

    “FYI, we all say “asher Yatzar” without thinking what it really means, but when my grandson was born with a minor issue that impaired his ability to use his lower colon”

    I know the name of that disease, even though I never took Organic!

    It’s called hirschsprung disease!

    #1198282
    Sparkly
    Member

    Health – im not surprised because thats NOT what you learn in organic chemistry!! i barley know what we will be learning since its only been 1 week out of 2 semesters worth of classes!! but from the first week all i can say is that its mostly about organic molecule structures NOT diseases. diseases are MOSTLY found in microbiology and i already took that. what do you mean that you have a degree in medicine? are you a pharmacist? which pharmacy school DOESNT need organic chemistry im surprised since i heard that by the end of pharmacy school i know as much chemistry as a chemistry major since theres SO MUCH chemistry in pharmacy!

    #1198283
    writersoul
    Participant

    Nurses also take orgo- they just take a revised course specifically for nursing students. PAs and NPs will I think also take it, but I’m not sure. The people I know who are taking it want to go into medicine, veterinary medicine, science research, pharmacy, dentistry, and PA.

    #1198284
    Health
    Participant

    Sparkly -“are you a pharmacist?”

    No.

    “what do you mean that you have a degree in medicine?”

    Something like physician, veterinary medicine, science research, dentistry, PA or NP.

    #1198285
    Meno
    Participant

    Sparkly,

    I never took organic chemistry, but I still want to hear the choices for that question.

    (This is like pulling teeth…)

    #1198286
    Sparkly
    Member

    Meno – why? sorry i literally pulled it out of my textbook i dont even know where to go back and find it… all that i know is were doing that this semester.

    #1198287
    2scents
    Participant

    Sparkly, health is very vocal about everything other then revealing his medical degree which he claims to have.

    Following this forum for a while, I would assume that he is at most a PA or at least Participated in a PA program..

    #1198288
    Sparkly
    Member

    2scents – you CANT become a doctor if you havent taken organic chemistry thats one of the weed out classes for doctors.

    #1198289
    Health
    Participant

    2cents -“Sparkly, health is very vocal about everything other then revealing his medical degree which he claims to have.”

    And what medical degree do you claim to have?

    Oh that’s right, your a paramedic or maybe just an EMT on Hatzolah.

    #1198290
    2scents
    Participant

    Health, I don’t recklessly post medical advice online while claiming to have some degree, you on the other hand frequently provide advice and keep on mentioning that you have earned a degree and practice medicine.

    Instead of answering, you just turn on those that respectfully question you, which leaves us with greater questions on your integrity.

    Who cares if I am an er tech or an anesthesiologist. Or a plumber that plays Doctor online, I’m not stepping on anyone nor providing any medical advice.

    I still believe that you did attempt a PA program..

    #1198291
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    Sparkly

    “you CANT become a doctor if you havent taken organic chemistry thats one of the weed out classes for doctors.”

    there are a few schools that dont require organic chem (at least this was true 15 years ago), however it is on the MCAT so skipping it and narrowing yourself to a few medical schools and studying it on your own for the MCAT, while possible, isnt a good idea.

    BTW

    Your question about constitutional isomers made me smile. I remember well how on the final we were hoping there would be a lot of questions regarding structures and naming that that is by far the easiest part of the course.

    good luck

    #1198292
    Sparkly
    Member

    Health – dont fight about your medical degree. NOT everyone has a medical degree. NOT everyone is a doctor. NOT everyone is meant to be a doctor. depends on a person but some consider pharmacists as doctors and some dont. the amount of schooling is about the same as becoming a doctor just without residency.

    #1198293
    2scents
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    Sparkly, very true what you wrote. However Health has frequently posted medical advice and keeps on describing himself as someone that actively practices medicine.

    I am here for a while, I still remember when he was constantly caught pasting things from Google.. Not understanding basic medical stuff and getting all worked up when being called out, similar to what he just did when all I did was ask what degree is has earned.

    He has no problem describing his personal life such as where he lives or about being a divorcee. Nor about once being a volunteer EMT or attending Turo. Yet when asked about his level of certification to back the online profile he has created, he goes on the offensive.

    #1198294
    Sparkly
    Member

    2scents – so he wants to be a doctor so online he describes himself as a doctor where really he is ISNT unfortunately those are the kinds of people in real life that they try making themselves feel like they know everything where really they dont know as much as the person like myself knows and tries competing against people like me and ends up in an argument and not being invited back to that persons house. so he should learn manners and not try being a phony.

    #1198295
    Health
    Participant

    2cents -“Following this forum for a while, I would assume that he is at most a PA or at least Participated in a PA program..

    However Health has frequently posted medical advice and keeps on describing himself as someone that actively practices medicine.

    I am here for a while, I still remember when he was constantly caught pasting things from Google.. Not understanding basic medical stuff and getting all worked up when being called out, similar to what he just did when all I did was ask what degree is has earned.”

    Health, I don’t recklessly post medical advice online while claiming to have some degree, you on the other hand frequently provide advice and keep on mentioning that you have earned a degree and practice medicine.”

    Stop contradicting yourself!

    First you say “I’m at the most a PA” and then you say “I don’t understand basic medical stuff and keep on mentioning that you have earned a degree and practice medicine”.

    Well which one is it?!?

    And what makes you the know-it-all, just because you’re on Hatzoloh?!?

    And btw, there is a reason to post from Google, instead of my medical books. It’s called copyright! As long as I make sure the info is indeed correct!

    #1198296
    Health
    Participant

    Sparkly -“2scents – so he wants to be a doctor so online he describes himself as a doctor where really he is ISNT unfortunately those are the kinds of people in real life that they try making themselves feel like they know everything where really they dont know as much as the person like myself knows and tries competing against people like me and ends up in an argument and not being invited back to that persons house. so he should learn manners and not try being a phony.”

    Don’t be so gullible! Some people will post anything at all because they have an agenda!

    #1198297
    Sparkly
    Member

    Health – those are called trolls.

    #1198298
    2scents
    Participant

    Health, who cares what I am or if I even have any association with the medical community. This was never about me, I never claimed to be anything or practice medicine nor did I make any claim to have any training.

    Yet you have built this online persona of being someone that actively practices medicine and to know it all, its more then right to respectfully ask you if your a doctor, PA, NP, RT or none of the above..

    And you do make me laugh with your excuse for copy pasting from the internet..

    #1198299
    Health
    Participant

    2cents -“Yet you have built this online persona of being someone that actively practices medicine and to know it all, its more then right to respectfully ask you if your a doctor, PA, NP, RT or none of the above.”

    What you don’t understand or what you don’t want to understand, (btw, I think I posted this before), it’s not about me! I post things that I think will help people! If it was a personal relationship, I’d have a plaque on the wall and charge a fee.

    As far as what I’ve posted about myself, it’s because those things I feel comfortable revealing, other things like my degrees, I don’t!

    “And you do make me laugh with your excuse for copy pasting from the internet..”

    It wasn’t an excuse! I live in the real world, not just like in the Frum Shetels, like Monsey! There are laws, like copyright laws!

    Do you follow Goyishe laws or it doesn’t apply to you?!?

    #1198300
    2scents
    Participant

    There is nothing wrong with quoting a source, you can even post the exact wording as long as you reveal the source (unlike what you have done in the past), your sources are simple google searches and your understanding of most stuff are on a very basic level.

    Real people with real lives and real degrees don’t behave the way you do, if they decide to participate in a discussion or debate, they understand that they are just another participant there will always be an opposing opinion or study to almost everything, the fact that you googled it or saw something on webMD doesn’t mean this is the bottom line.

    I don’t think I have ever read anything that you explained with decent logic and proper references, only some copy/pastes, no one here is asking YOU for advice more than they are asking anyone else, its you in your own bubble that created this online persona so now you must prove it all the time, oh.. It’s about helping people and your free advice.. Really!? So why do you get all worked up and make sure to have the final word using childish and silly arguments? It’s just the doctor in his spare time offering bro Bono advice.

    #1198301
    2scents
    Participant

    There is nothing wrong with quoting a source, you can even post the exact wording as long as you reveal the source (unlike what you have done in the past), your sources are simple google searches and your understanding of most stuff are on a very basic level.

    Real people with real lives and real degrees don’t behave the way you do, if they decide to participate in a discussion or debate, they understand that they are just another participant there will always be an opposing opinion or study to almost everything, the fact that you googled it or saw something on webMD doesn’t mean this is the bottom line.

    I don’t think I have ever read anything that you explained with decent logic and proper references, only some copy/pastes, no one here is asking YOU for advice more than they are asking anyone else, its you in your own bubble that created this online persona so now you must prove it all the time, oh.. It’s about helping people and your free advice.. Really!? So why do you get all worked up and make sure to have the final word using childish and silly arguments? It’s just the doctor in his spare time offering bro Bono advice.

    #1198302
    Sparkly
    Member

    Health – what do you think as youve read from my posts you should know the obvious answer? also i heard that monsey is VERY yeshivish why is that? they have no mo people?

    #1198303
    Health
    Participant

    2cents -“There is nothing wrong with quoting a source, you can even post the exact wording as long as you reveal the source (unlike what you have done in the past), your sources are simple google searches and your understanding of most stuff are on a very basic level.”

    You’re correct! And that’s the way I did it in college.

    Do you think that I’m writing a professional paper?!?

    Did you ever go to college or just some EMT class?

    “Real people with real lives and real degrees don’t behave the way you do, if they decide to participate in a discussion or debate, they understand that they are just another participant there will always be an opposing opinion or study to almost everything, the fact that you googled it or saw something on webMD doesn’t mean this is the bottom line.”

    There is a reason I quote from places like WebMD, it’s Not time consuming! From my previous post: “And btw, there is a reason to post from Google, instead of my medical books. It’s called copyright!”

    “doesn’t mean this is the bottom line.”

    You must of missed this line -“As long as I make sure the info is indeed correct!”

    “I don’t think I have ever read anything that you explained with decent logic and proper references, only some copy/pastes, no one here is asking YOU for advice more than they are asking anyone else, its you in your own bubble that created this online persona so now you must prove it all the time, oh.. It’s about helping people and your free advice.. Really!? So why do you get all worked up and make sure to have the final word using childish and silly arguments? It’s just the doctor in his spare time offering bro Bono advice”

    You obviously have some agenda! If you don’t like my posts – then don’t read them! If you think my recommendation to purchase BabyAlert for car seats is foolish, then don’t buy them! (From the topic called – Reminder! Do not leave kids locked in cars.)

    You could be just like other Frum people that I’ve seen, that the kids jump around in the car – no seat belt or no car seat!!!

    #1198304
    Health
    Participant

    Sparkly -“Health – what do you think as youve read from my posts you should know the obvious answer?”

    What’s the question?

    “also i heard that monsey is VERY yeshivish why is that? they have no mo people?”

    They actually have some MO people that live “up the hill”.

    #1198305
    Sparkly
    Member

    Health – whats up the hill?

    #1198306
    Sparkly
    Member

    since people were asking for questions here it goes: Proteins are synthesized at the ______________ (organelle) based on the sequence of nucleotides in _______________ (macromolecule). this is a review from the first biology class due on wednesday h’h. i wanted to see if anyone could answer this??? i answered that the first blank was ribosome and the second blank mRNA? what do you think?

    #1198307
    Abba_S
    Participant

    Is this the coffee room or a homework forum? And why is everyone picking on HEALTH?

    #1198308
    Health
    Participant

    Sparkly -“since people were asking for questions here it goes: Proteins are synthesized at the ______________ (organelle) based on the sequence of nucleotides in _______________ (macromolecule). this is a review from the first biology class due on wednesday h’h. i wanted to see if anyone could answer this??? i answered that the first blank was ribosome and the second blank mRNA? what do you think?”

    Tutoring costs money! Here’s one freebie:

    Proteins are synthesized at the _ribosome_____ (organelle) based on the sequence of nucleotides in _nucleic acid____ (macromolecule).

    I looked it up to make sure I’m correct!

    #1198309
    Sparkly
    Member

    Health – why nucleic acid and NOT mRNA? isnt mRNA a type of nucleic acid??? this is for my a and p class its a review from biology 1 class that i took 2 years ago.

    #1198310
    WinnieThePooh
    Participant

    I would also have answered mRNA, nucleic acid is general, could also include DNA.

    #1198311
    Health
    Participant

    Sparkly -“Health – why nucleic acid and NOT mRNA? isnt mRNA a type of nucleic acid??? this is for my a and p class its a review from biology 1 class that i took 2 years ago.”

    Because mRNA is not a (macromolecule)!

    #1198312
    Sparkly
    Member

    Health – its 2 against one its my grade. so ill choose the more popular answer of mRNA.

    #1198313
    Health
    Participant

    Sparkly -“Health – its 2 against one its my grade. so ill choose the more popular answer of mRNA.”

    You just proved that it doesn’t pay to do freebies!

    At least when I charge, I get something out of it!

    But you could Google it yourself and see why I’m right!!!

    #1198314
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    IT should go without saying that as always Health is simply wrong.

    There are three macromolecules: Carbohydrates, Proteins and nucleic acids (some include lipids as well).

    Nucleic acids include DNA, mRNA, rRNA and tRNA.

    Now if nucleic acids are macromolecules, and mRNA is a nucleic acid (both true) then obviously mRNA is a macromolecule.

    Both are arguably correct in the question. But mRNA is more specific and perhaps more correct

    This statment “Because mRNA is not a (macromolecule)!” is gibberish.

    #1198315
    WinnieThePooh
    Participant

    Why is mRNA not a macromolecule?

    A macromolecule is a large molecule made up of smaller building blocks. There are 4 classes of biological macromolecules: protein, lipids, carbohydrates and nucleic acids. By this definition only, the answer would be nucleic acids.

    But RNA is one of two types of nucleic acids, so it is also a macromolecule.

    Here’s some quotes to back me up:

    Ribonucleic acid, or RNA is one of the three major biological macromolecules that are essential for all known forms of life (along with DNA and proteins). (RNA society)

    #1198316
    Sparkly
    Member

    ubiquitin – thank you for that explanation:)

    #1198317
    Abba_S
    Participant

    Is it right to give someone answers to the test while the test is given? I am not an attorney but I do know that the NY State it is criminal to provide answers to a Department of Motor Vehicles CDL test and people who are caught go to jail.

    #1198318
    Sparkly
    Member

    Abba_S – this is NOT a test!!

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