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  • #618180
    Sparkly
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    did anyone ever take these classes? were they hard? were they fun? how would you integrate it into the Torah to try making it a good learning experience?

    #1198217

    I took a and p 2

    #1198218

    Is either of you thinking about being an aircraft mechanic,

    or do I need to do more Googling?

    #1198219
    Health
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    Sparkly – I took A & P. But they say organic chemistry is very hard.

    #1198220
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    Pardon my ignorance, but what is A&P?

    #1198221
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    Happygirlygirl- You’re in college? I thought you just graduated from high school?

    #1198222

    Anatomy and physiology

    #1198223
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    29 – thanks!

    #1198224
    yehudayona
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    A&P is a bankrupt supermarket chain. They owned Pathmark and Waldbaums.

    #1198225

    That too.

    #1198226
    ccguy
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    I just took Orgo I,II. It was a challenging course. I haven’t yet taken A&P but from what I understand Orgo is more difficult. A lot depends on the teacher so make sure to do your research!

    #1198227
    Sparkly
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    Happygirlygirl – in order to take a and p 2 you need a and p 1. (a and p – anatomy and physiology)

    Comlink-X – read more posts.

    Health – how was it? did you enjoy it?

    yehudayona – no anantomy and physiology the class im so excited to start next week h’h.

    #1198228
    popa_bar_abba
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    Atlantic and pacific tea company. They make corpses for premed students to study.

    #1198229
    fathousewife
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    If organic chem is not a required course avoid it. Its brutally difficult and super technical. If you did well with Aand P 1 and you are looking toward health science go for AandP 2. Its stimulating and doable. Its by all means not any easy class.good luck!

    #1198230
    Sparkly
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    fathousewife – pharmacy is MOSTLY chemistry. they make you take a and p and organic chemsitry to get into the school. if you cant pass the organic chemistry class you probably shouldnt go to pharmacy school. to be honest, the HARDEST class ive taken so far is probably the gen chem 2 class.

    #1198231
    Health
    Participant

    Sparkly -“did you enjoy it?”

    Yes, especially when I got up in the class and denounced the Supreme Court’s ruling on why you can have abortions!

    I guess, that the government has the right to change the definition of when life begins!

    #1198232
    Sparkly
    Member

    Health – in front of a room full of goyim?

    #1198233
    Ex-CTLawyer
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    Youngest daughter is doing a BSRN.

    A&P is a very difficult course. Her college did not require college Biology as a prerequisite. All of her friend taking a BSRN in our state Universities were required to take college Bio first and it made A&P much easier for them

    She had no problem with Organic Chem, it was all math and memorization…

    BTW….she as no intention as working as a nurse, she will follow the family tradition and go to law school. BUT, she and the next older sibling have decided they want to open a division of the family firm to deal with Personal Injury and Medical Malpractice (areas of the law we do not currently handle) and this would be a good background for her.

    I never wanted to practice in that area of law and when I discouraged it, daughter reminded me that my maternal great-grandfather was an ambulance chaser back between 1900- and 1914 for a Manhattan law firm. Then it was a lawful profession and lucrative as well.

    #1198235
    Health
    Participant

    Sparkly -“Health – in front of a room full of goyim?”

    Nope, the teacher was Jewish!!!

    #1198236
    Sparkly
    Member

    Health – probably not religious tho? so you need to make a kiddush Hashem!

    #1198237

    In the place that I went to they said that you can take a and p 2 first because it was completely different body systems ….and I started in the summer but I left for certain reasons and changed my college plans to a different college and only nught college once a week

    #1198238
    Health
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    Sparkly -“Health – probably not religious tho? so you need to make a kiddush Hashem”

    That’s your mistake! Pointing out that the SCOTUS decision regarding abortion was based on PC and not science or religion is a Kiddush Hashem!!!

    #1198239
    charliehall
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    “Pointing out that the SCOTUS decision regarding abortion was based on PC and not science or religion is a Kiddush Hashem!!!”

    While there is plenty to criticize the reasoning in that decision, the definition of the beginning of life is something on which religions differ and also something for which science does not have a clear answer.

    #1198240
    ubiquitin
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    “and also something for which science does not have a clear answer.”

    Of course not. It is a legal/religious question not a scientific one.

    #1198241
    Sparkly
    Member

    Happygirlygirl- where was that? never heard of that.

    #1198242

    I can’t say all details of my life u know….to be bluntly honest I said so much about myself that if u dont know me by now ur probably never gonna know me

    #1198243
    Health
    Participant

    Charlie & Ubiq -“and also something for which science does not have a clear answer.”

    “Of course not. It is a legal/religious question not a scientific one.”

    Your Liberalism has affected your thought processes!

    “That’s why I got up in the class and denounced the Supreme Court’s ruling on why you can have abortions!”

    Because we learnt life begins with fertilization!

    #1198244
    WinnieThePooh
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    Back to OP- I took both. If you like science, they are enjoyable classes, yes even fun. It’s great to understand how things work. I don’t see how they can be directly integrated into Torah, but like all science courses, the more you learn about how complex the world is, how perfect and complex is the human body, for example, the more it leads you to think about the Awesomeness of the Borei, and appreciate the b’ria. unlike some who think science is apikorsus, I think it depends how you look at it- if you are an atheist/non-believer, then you can use science to advance your theories of a G-dless world, and your interpretations of how you observe the world will follow your beliefs. However, if you believe in G-d who created the world, then everything you learn in science just re-inforces this belief. even evolutionary theory can lead you to believe in Creation- when you see how improbable it is for all those mutations to occur in just the right combination at just the right time to make even small changes within a species, then the only conclusion is that there must be a borei.

    “She had no problem with Organic Chem, it was all math and memorization…”

    I disagree with CT’s comment here- as far as I remember, Gen Chem is much more math based than orgo, and A&P involves much more memorization than Orgo.

    Orgo needs logic and lots of brain power- if you understand the concepts and how to apply them, you can do well. Concepts in A&P are easier, I think, but you need to learn lots of terms, definitions, you need to be organized and have a good memory for detail. Personally, I found the skills needed for Orgo easier than A&P, but that is just my personality.

    #1198245
    Sparkly
    Member

    WinnieThePooh – why did you take these classes?

    #1198246
    WinnieThePooh
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    Sparkly- I wanted to graduate and get my degree. Otherwise there would have been no point going to college

    #1198247
    Sparkly
    Member

    WinnieThePooh – i meant what major? since not soooo many people need these classes.

    #1198248
    WinnieThePooh
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    I’m a science person but I didn’t absolutely need these classes for my major. That’s about as personal as I am going to get in my answer.

    #1198249
    Sparkly
    Member

    WinnieThePooh – you shouldnt take classes randomly especially if their HARD!!

    #1198250
    WinnieThePooh
    Participant

    Who said I took them randomly? I just said I didn’t need them for my major. And why avoid things that you enjoy just because they might be hard? Anyway, as I finished my studies long ago, it is a mute point.

    #1198251
    Sparkly
    Member

    bump

    #1198252
    Sparkly
    Member

    why is organic chemistry boring? and the teacher tries making it more interesting.

    #1198253
    Meno
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    ctrl+F >> “boring” >> 1 found >> “why is organic chemistry boring?”

    No one used the word “boring” in this thread other than you.

    #1198254
    Sparkly
    Member

    Meno – i meant that i dont like it. so i was asking why i get so bored by it.

    #1198255
    Meno
    Participant

    Oh. Maybe you get bored because you don’t like it.

    #1198256
    Sparkly
    Member

    Meno – i NEVER liked chemistry. and now i have to go back to school to learn more:(

    #1198257
    mentsch1
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    It’s been a long time since I took these courses, but out of all the premed courses I found orgo to be the worst by far. I agree that if you don’t need it don’t take it. Orgo 2 was the worst because it is simply memorizing organic formulas, almost like being forced to memorize the cookbook that you will always have available, so what’s the point? Pretty much how I felt about a lot of courses. Can someone explain to me why every bio and bio chem course requires memorizing the Krebs cycle? What’s the point ?!

    #1198258
    ubiquitin
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    mentch1

    “Can someone explain to me why every bio and bio chem course requires memorizing the Krebs cycle? What’s the point ?!”

    three med school admissions officers all said the same thing “To separate the men from the boys”

    #1198259
    mentsch1
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    ubiquitin

    If that was the emes they wouldn’t require it in med school, but biochem and the krebs cycle is something you need to redo in med school and on the boards

    What they really mean is “we had to do it, so you do to”

    which is unfortunate, and a huge waste of time. Time that can be spent learning things that actually have relevance to the profession

    #1198260
    Sparkly
    Member

    mentsch1 – because i love science:) (just joking)

    #1198261
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “but biochem and the krebs cycle is something you need to redo in med school and on the boards”

    You don’t need it on the boards, but you do need it for step 1 (unless thats what you meant by boards) but your point stands, After Step 1 it never comes up again ever.

    I do think you are right about the “we had to do it, so you do to” attitude

    #1198262
    Health
    Participant

    Mentch1 -“Time that can be spent learning things that actually have relevance to the profession”

    That’s not the problem with med professionals! They could learn much more and still be incompetent!

    The ones that I’ve dealt with, is because they just don’t care!

    #1198263
    Sparkly
    Member

    Health – unfortunately some doctors do it for the money.

    #1198264

    My relative used to be an Organic Chemist

    if you live in Baltimore ,you could contact him

    #1198267
    Sparkly
    Member

    It is Time for Truth – thats cool but i live in philadelphia.

    #1198268
    Meno
    Participant

    Wouldn’t it be cool if someone in Philadelphia could contact someone in Baltimore. Any engineers here want to figure out a way to do that?

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