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December 23, 2010 10:47 pm at 10:47 pm #721200popa_bar_abbaParticipant
so right:
Well, I hope you can also recognize the opinion of the majority of American litvish gedolim that it is proper to open the door for your date.
You should certainly follow your Rebbeim, but you should not criticize others for following theirs.
December 23, 2010 10:54 pm at 10:54 pm #721202popa_bar_abbaParticipantklach:
I don’t know how your culture gets married, but if you do a beshow, that is a breach of tznius.
If you never meet her, it is assur to marry her.
So you are wrong.
December 24, 2010 2:00 am at 2:00 am #721203so rightMemberpopa,
An member of my immediate family has a Litvish Rosh Yeshiva that is a member of the moetzei gedolei haTorah, and he asked this question and was told no. Furthermore, not only would a majority of litvish gedolim concur that it is proper to not davka open the door, I’m not sure any would disagree.
December 24, 2010 4:59 am at 4:59 am #721204yechezkel89Memberso right,
apparently you have never read the making of a gadol. the gedolim such as harav Aaron Kotler zl and harav Yaakov Kaminetzky would laugh at you for your silly argument
December 24, 2010 9:13 am at 9:13 am #721205Proud HadarlingMemberso right – Your post that mentions me is a perfect example of why I usually just read things I didagree wwith and don’t respond. Here, I wanted to give an opinion from a current Yeshivish girl saying there is no problem with the boy opening the car door, and you just went and twisted my words.
The boys who opened the door for me on dates were no less Yeshivish than those that didn’t, and were often more Yeshivish (my husband for instance is more yeshivish than a lot of other boys I dated and as I said – he did open the car door for me. Now he opens taxi car doors for me…)
The ones who did not open the door were not really doing it because their Rosh Yeshiva sais not to but rather because their friends told him its not the done thing. It’s a similar equation with whether girls should wear seatbelts on dates (v’hameivin yavin).
December 24, 2010 11:30 am at 11:30 am #721206mamashtakahMemberFurthermore, not only would a majority of litvish gedolim concur that it is proper to not davka open the door, I’m not sure any would disagree.
I love it when people throw around terms like “majority” and “any.” Have you spoken to a “majority of litvish gedolim?” No? Then what right have you to make a statement on their behalf? Have you personally spoken to any gedolim about this? Would you really take up the time of a gadol for something so insignificant?
December 24, 2010 11:43 am at 11:43 am #721207so rightMembermamashtakah: I ironically note that you only took issue with my characterization of “majority” as you disagree with me, but not that of popa’s comment 2 comments before mine characterizing “majority” (that my comment was a response to), as you did agree with him! (And as I said in the comment itself that answered your subsequent question, yes, a godol was consulted.)
December 24, 2010 11:45 am at 11:45 am #721208so rightMemberAgain, it is beautiful for a husband (or anyone) to open the door for his wife (or whoever), or for a wife to open the door for her husband. My point is the specific practice of a guy davka opening the door for a girl — not because her hands are full or she is weak or for whatever reason needs the door opened for her or even because he happened to be near the door so he opened it to be helpful and mentchlich/mannered [all of that is perfectly beautiful and proper if done] — but rather my comment is on the practice of him doing it specifically explicitly and expressly as a (especially if public) display of “romance and chivalry”.
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