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December 10, 2022 9:11 pm at 9:11 pm #2146388SQUARE_ROOTParticipant
When Orthodox Jews meet for the first time,
our standard practice to ask each other many
highly-invasive personal questions.
This may be Onaas Devarim [or Onaat Devarim].If you are truly serious about avoiding Onaas Devarim,
then PLEASE STOP asking people highly-invasive
personal questions, like:Which yeshivah did you go to?
Which country did your grandparents come from?
How old are you? Why are you not married?
Where do you work? What kind of work do you do?
How much money do you make?
Do you own the house you live-in and the car you drive?
Who are your parents? Where do they live?
Who are your brothers and sisters? What do they do?
How many children do you have?
Which schools do your children attend?These questions seem innocent to most
Orthodox Jews, but they can be Onaas Devarim,
if you ask them to the wrong person.Instead of asking highly-invasive & very detailed
personal questions, give a quick Devar Torah,
or a quick fact about current events,
or say something about the weather.If you must ask these questions, then please ask
them in private, not in front of a large audience,
like hosts who ask their guests personal questions
in front of the entire family and all the other guests.Last but not least, if you simply LISTEN
to people when they speak, they will reveal
many things about themselves,
without you asking any questions.When it comes to kashrus [or kashruth],
we accept the strictest chumrahs.
Being strict [machmir] with the feelings
of our fellow Jews is just as important,
and maybe more so.Chazal never said that someone who
accidentally eats traif is considered
as if he committed murder.Chazal never said that someone who
accidentally eats traif is punished forever.But Chazal did teach that someone who publicly
humiliates his fellow Jew is considered as if he
committed murder (tractate Baba Metzia, page 58B)
and he will be punished forever (tractate Sanhedrin,
page 107A). May G*D save all of us!תלמוד בבלי מסכת בבא מציעא דף נח/ב
תני תנא קמיה דרב נחמן בר יצחק: כל המלבין פני חבירו ברבים, כאילו שופך דמיםתלמוד בבלי מסכת סנהדרין דף קז/א
המלבין פני חבירו ברבים אין לו חלק לעולם הבאDecember 10, 2022 9:47 pm at 9:47 pm #2146402ujmParticipantThank you for sharing your boich svara.
December 10, 2022 10:32 pm at 10:32 pm #2146406GadolhadorahParticipant“Thank you for sharing your boich svara”
Boich Svara: ” Something a yodle comes up with on his own to shlug up accepted psak or teitch. Certain commenters here [in the CR] have a tendency to practice this”.
Source: https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/boich-svarasDecember 10, 2022 10:33 pm at 10:33 pm #2146405AviraDeArahParticipant“How much money do you make?
Do you own the house you live-in and the car you drive?
Are you married? Why are you not married?”These are questions one doesn’t hear when meeting someone for the first time. Nobody does that. I have no idea why you groupe these together with innocuous things like where the person comes from.
Asking where a person went to yeshiva depends on the circumstances; if you’re talking for a while, it can be brought up, but usually you can tell if someone never went to a yeshiva at all on their lives (most BTs spend time in some sort of yeshiva) before such a question would come up, so it’s not embarrassing.
December 10, 2022 10:54 pm at 10:54 pm #2146416AviraDeArahParticipantFor instance, if i met someone with awkward hebrew pronunciation who was unaware of many frum norms i wouldn’t ask which yeshiva he went to
December 11, 2022 2:02 am at 2:02 am #2146438LostsparkParticipantWhat do you do?
Truly means I don’t care about your profession as long as it makes me look good associating with you or you can offer me something.
December 11, 2022 2:02 am at 2:02 am #2146439Shimon NodelParticipantLet’s go Avira! Tear him down! The gall he has to suggest that anyone would EVER do that! Chalila! No one would ever ever ask these things, you must show him he’s crazy for even thinking it
December 11, 2022 9:43 am at 9:43 am #2146462commonsaychelParticipantto quote @shimon nodel in a prior thread this post has enough lusken for a kugel.
December 11, 2022 10:22 am at 10:22 am #2146515commonsaychelParticipantThis is what I ask random people who I meet,
Are you looking for a miracle cure for a terminal illness?
Are you looking for someone who knows the future?
Are you trying to decide who to marry?December 12, 2022 6:20 pm at 6:20 pm #2147056Reb EliezerParticipantWhen Yaakov Avinu asked the malach, what is your name? The Chasam Sofer explains that he was told, don’t befriend me as I am not good for you. When I tell him some Torah and he does not understand it, will he not be ashamed?
December 13, 2022 10:52 am at 10:52 am #2147222ubiquitinParticipantRE
Pashut Pshat is he was told “Don’t ask me such highly-invasive personal questions.”
December 13, 2022 11:33 am at 11:33 am #2147225Reb EliezerParticipantubi, I can explain your pashut pshat as the malach gets its name by the current function it performs.
December 13, 2022 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm #2147273commonsaychelParticipantNeh, I ask a lot more personal questions, like what hemorrhoid medication works best, have you ever been interviewed by law enforcement, ever been audited by the IRS, how many governmental programs are you on, has your house been in foreclosure or your car been repoed
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