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OJ died yesterday, no great loss to humanity, I remember he was found not guilty erev yom kippur and my grandfather said if he was found not guilty then for sure shomayim will find the yidden not guilty.
Good riddance to a filthy murderer. Didn’t come soon enough.
That’s a nice take.
Otherwise, that was a very big black mark on American justice system.
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A pathetic, disgusting murderer, who emboldened criminals and was a hero for a community steeped in crime
OJ Simpson was found innocent by an overwhelmingly Black jury.
During the trial, one juror told one news reporter
that there is no way that the jury will vote to convict him,
presumably because OJ Simpson was a Black Hero (at that time).I have been waiting for this day since the not guilty verdict was announced erev yom Kippur 28 years ago.
Rav Miller zatsal would use this to teach a lesson that there must be a Olam Haba with Din or else how can a Rasha live peacefully for so many years.Jackk: Thank you for, again, quoting HaGaon HaRav Avigdor Miller zt”l. It’s always a pleasure reading and recounting his holy Torah thoughts. Since you brought Rav Miller up, it is worthwhile reiterating how often Rav Miller implored everyone to vote Republican and vote conservative, because he repeatedly explained how evil the liberals are and how destructive, anti-American and anti G-d the Democrats are. Rav Miller zt”l encouraged people to write to President Nixon expressing the Jewish People’s support for him and explained how Democrat McGovern and the entirety of the Democrat Party was out to spread immorality and destroy anything good. He strongly and publicly held this position from, at least, the 1960s through his petira in 2001.
we should have some humility. I know several Jews who were convicted of some crimes who would have not been convicted were the jury coming from “their peers”.
Joe,
I was thinking the same thing, thank you for writing it out
Ujm, really no need to pick fights
coffee addict: Thank you.
Avira: I’m not c”v looking for any such. I think my point is a very good one.
common, YWN has no indication where someone lives. I did not know you were posting from Malchus of Sdom. I live in a country where there is some trust in the court system despite occasional glitches.
AAQ: The glitches are far more than occasional. Every day innocent people are convicted and guilty people are acquitted.
ujm,
Have you spoken to him in the last 23 years ?
Do you know that not every Gadol agreed with Rav Miller zatsal regarding elections?
I am 100% positive , although I have not spoken to him recently, that Rav Miller Zatsal would be appalled , dismayed and terrified at what the current republican party is and what Trump did on January 6th.
I am also 100% sure that Rav Miller zatsal’s view on the world was 100% based on the Torah and he knew that there were many blemishes in the republican party even back then.> Every day innocent people are convicted
Are you, by chance, Common’s neighbour in Sdom?
this is what I was saying – there are lots of people who would be supporting people who supported OJ in his fight for justice. And, of course, if you stand by this position, there are lots of halachic ramifications about how to behave in such non-just country. I would be interested to hear how Rabonim in your country pasken regarding honesty, respect to laws, paying taxes, et al? Even in Sdom, you may have some limits on behaving like them. I recall Chofetz Chaim tearing up a stamp when he would send a letter with a traveler. Anyone knows whether this was in unfair Russia (presumably) or later in free Poland?
Another point with Rav Miller zatsal is that he said things that were jaw dropping and only if you listened to him regularly would you understand.
A great example is today’s Toras Avigdor email where he was asked on tape about the OJ Verdict.
“We learn that if a jury of black men see how Simpson killed this woman, they exonerate him anyhow. That’s what we learn.
We learn how foolish the gentiles are. They take a bunch of shotim and they make them for judges. The judges themselves are very low characters. But they pick the lowest of the low and they give them the power to make rulings that can decide the verdict.
So America is a land of shotim! You have to know, the American goyim are meshugoyim and shotim. That’s the only way to say it. And the Englishmen are shotim. And the Dutchmen are more shotim. In Holland, it’s terrible how meshugeh they are. And there’s something rotten in Denmark. Denmark is as rotten as could be. All the goyim; all the goyim are meshugeh.
Today they’re more meshugeh than ever before. Only that the newspapers praise their meshugas and so they go more meshugeh.
I want to tell you my own opinion. When they had kings, people weren’t so meshugeh. A king meant business and people behaved. A king – TAPE CUTS OFF”.
Do you believe that Rav Miller would have wanted to live under the Russian Czar or even the current Russian King Putin? Chas veshalom !
There’s absolutely nothing jaw dropping whatsoever in that quote from Rav Miller. Yes, Rav Miller would suggest a benign King, preferably an Oheiv Yisroel, such as King Fredrick II of Prussia, King Mohammed VI of Morocco, Emperor Franz Jozef of Austria-Hungary, King Cyrus of Persia, King Christian X of Denmark, King Gustav III of Sweden, etc.
I haven’t either spoken to Rav Miller Zt”l recently but if he was so against Democrats before Obama pushed them so far to the left I’m confident that he would continue advocating for voting against them. (How much more so after Biden led them off the deep end.)
Hopefully you’ll do תשובה before you reach 120 but if you ח״ו don’t how are you going to explain to השם how you ferociously defended a political party that encourages a relationship that the Torah calls an abomination? Are you going to say “Because of Jan 6th”?
How are you going to explain how you ferociously defended a political party that encourages the slaughter of innocent unborn children so that the mother can go get drunk with her friends and not have to find a babysitter? “Uh, השם- it was because of Jan 6th”?
You may fool some other Loony Libs but השם knows the real reason why you’re throwing Him and the Torah under the bus.
Please think carefully and do תשובה before it’s too late. Keep in mind that the more people here you corrupt the longer it’ll take to fix the damage you created.
jackk > R Miller > something rotten in Denmark
Please note that Rav was versed in Shakespeare. And I agree with all of the above that by taking R Miller in overall, one should not conclude that he was looking up to Russkies (probably Brezhnev or Khruschev at the time, not Putin).
The argument on juries is interesting. Rav highlights the negatives but there are, of course, positives that juries created in English history, creating some minimal standard when a king was not guaranteed to be always benevolent. Many of Henry’s wives would have preferred a jury of her peers to a mad husband’s will. The ultimate answer to goyishe system of law is not the document but the practice – are they achieving justice relative to alternatives.
Dr. Pepper, I think you are taking politics a little too seriously. I really cannot imagine being spoken to about American politics in heaven.
While you want to make an informed vote, investing that much emotion, to the extent of demanding תשובה for voting for the other party, is a real waste of human resources.
Those of us who vote Conservative have our reasons, economical, social and global. Those who vote Democrat have reasons as well. They view Republican behavior as irresponsible, uncaring, and dangerous. Both sides have weighed the options, are affected by prejudice, look away from some things in favor of others. It is clearly not out of malice.
AAQ: King Henry VII rightfully executed two adulterous wives.
UJM, and he was a male, which automatically makes him very special.
HaLeiVi: It sounds like you are alluding to what Chazal say in the Gemorah regarding the birth of a boy versus the birth of a girl.
I could not find what R Miller thought about Henry the VII, but I found he had some sympathy towards Putin-style traditionalism (possibly somewhat tongue-in-cheek). Tape 314, 1980:
When a society permits degenerates to parade in public it loses its rights. And in Russia you don’t have such displays of immorality like you have in America. And therefore there are many positive virtues in a society that maintains old-fashioned attitudes.
Now you’ll say that at least America is not atheistic like Russia is. But don’t forget there are plenty of atheists in this country and they’re the ones who are today running the public school system. The whole educational system is in the hands of atheists here. So what are they better than Russia? ….
In Russia work is a big virtue. When Russian boys come here, they may be ignorant of Yiddishkeit, but they’re not wild; they’re not corrupt. They’re decent citizens. All they need is Yiddishkeit but as people they’re to be desired. Desirable people come from Russia. You have to know that a Russian ordinary person, even a gentile and lehavdil surely the Jew, are fine people because they’re not allowed to run wild.
Of course we prefer liberty but who says that liberty has produced the best results? It has produced a San Francisco which is a haven for rodents, for reptiles. So what’s so good about America? All the liberty in America is being misused.
I don’t know what goes on in the next world but a generation ago I would have agreed with you.
It’s kind of black and white nowadays. Even if politics aren’t directly discussed I can’t imagine that someone who purposely throws השם and the Torah under the bus for their own financial benefit won’t have to answer for it.
CS, I thought you are in NYS, but not in NYC? I thought the subway does not extend under the Hudson like Hamas or Nork tunnels?
And if you are inside – pick yourself up from that island and move to the American continent. Most ppl in NYC already followed the Rambam that Chazon Ish liked to quote and left it for greener deserts. There are probably >100 mln people who arrived to NYC from the alter velt and only maybe 20% of those are still hanging around.
CS, there is no iron curtain around NYS, take a bus west if you are not happy.
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