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November 18, 2011 4:00 am at 4:00 am #600638smartcookieMember
So I’m listening to the duet of Carlebach(audio), and Green at the recent Hasc concert singing Od Avenu Chai, Am Yisroel Chai….and all I can think of is the CR and AYC and stalkers….
Wow! I think I’m becoming very one track minded!
November 18, 2011 4:44 am at 4:44 am #829008nightmares!!!! lol;)
November 18, 2011 4:46 am at 4:46 am #829009farrockgrandmaParticipantOops! I thought you said od Avenue I, another subway stop defaced.
November 18, 2011 5:17 am at 5:17 am #829011smartcookieMemberBtw, I was looking through AYC’s post where he write I’m a kletzky. Looks to me like he meant to say- I am like the Kletzkys, I also had a family tragedy this summer.
Anybody with me on this?
November 18, 2011 6:12 am at 6:12 am #829012always hereParticipantsmartcookie~ it’s very possible.
but what annoys me the most(& continues to) were the reactions to his next statement that followed:
“And I still believe that one should be cautious but not paranoid.”
I read that as soon as it had been posted, & do you know what? I agreed with that statement at that point 100%!!!! I also felt being cautious, but not paranoid, was correct in being called for– as opposed to the over-zealous, over-the-top, name calling, accusations, measures & statements made by a certain poster, w/ his forthcoming back-up vigilante crew.
subsequently, that one comment was turned into statements about it being a ploy of manipulation to lure folks into a sense of false security here in the CR & finally, twisting it into it being a means of manipulation to procure personal info from others. say what?!
furthermore~ if I had been treated as hatefully, insultingly, shabbily, & poorly (understatements) as AYC was… I wouldn’t have responded further to all the horrific comments & accusations made by posters here, & possibly would have responded in similar fashion (“invective & abusive”) to an email sent to me as well.
JMO.
sorry I’m not being very articulate.
November 18, 2011 11:17 am at 11:17 am #829013Shticky GuyParticipantalways here: +1
I didnt want to comment on the whole ayc saga and havent until now. But your post could have been written word for word by me. They are my sentiments exactly. He never said not to be cautious. Quite the opposite, he advised that we should be cautious but not paranoid, which would upset the whole atmosphere here. This has now unfortunately happened. But I do think that we must trust that the mods are in a position to know best and we must leave it to them to take all necessary steps to protect this site.
November 18, 2011 11:51 am at 11:51 am #829014November 18, 2011 12:40 pm at 12:40 pm #829015smartcookieMemberThank you! So I’m not alone on this!
This whole stalker business is getting out of hand here. Can we please start the “forgetting” process and turn the CR back to its original?
And meanwhile, stay secure. Don’t answer personal questional or unknown email adresses. WaTch yourself and all will be fine.
Can’t do much more than that.
November 18, 2011 1:55 pm at 1:55 pm #829017BaalHaboozeParticipantagree. we must always put our trust in our M-ods 🙂
As much as it kills me to beleive there was ‘something’ there, I will go along with the mods’, trust in their integrity, and will move on. But one thing is for sure, I will no longer be CAUTIOUS, I will be paranoid!! I will try not to, but after what just happened here, I don’t think I will fool myself, and even if just subconscioussly, I WILL be paranoid. This hurts.
November 18, 2011 2:07 pm at 2:07 pm #829018smartcookieMemberBaal Habooze- why paranoid? I’m not even worried at all. I will be just as careful to guard my anonymity as I was until now.
Did you really always believe that this anonymous open to the public forum only had Tzaddikim and honest people posting here?
Stalkers are old news. They’re everywhere.
Do NOT put trust in the mods. They can err too. Put trust in yourself, and do what you can to keep your identity safe. Because if YOU aren’t here to protect yourself, then who is?
November 18, 2011 2:22 pm at 2:22 pm #829020BaalHaboozeParticipantI hear you, smartcookie (great SN!). I know I should watch out. I guess it’s just that it wasn’t just ANYONE. It was, arguably, perhaps the most popular and loved poster here that is being accused.(need proof? just go look how many threads opened in his honor when he disappeared for a short while!)He was a friend, and a virtual shoulder we all leaned on, and enjoyed his wealth of compliments. It’s a shock that will take time for us to recover, some (incl. me) longer than others.
November 18, 2011 2:57 pm at 2:57 pm #829021charlie brownMembersmartcookie,
I understand what you’re saying that each person needs to watch themselves. However remember there are teens here! See my response to you on the same concept –>here<–
With AYC, he didn’t just say that people should be careful but not paranoid. He kept saying that its no problem if you let out bits and pieces of info about your identity and don’t worry about it. I asked him at least 3 times why he’s not concerned about people linking the bits of info to figure out who someone is and he always beat around the bush and didn’t answer that.
November 18, 2011 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm #829022JotharMemberYou are all correct. We haven’t received final word from the mods, and we all hope that AYC is innocent. I let my emotions override my rationality, and for this I apologize. There have been other, much more suspicious threads here than hers (your age, 13th avenue threads, etc). There was one issue that made everything fully suspicious, and then everything looks like it fits a pattern. I sincerely hope I was wrong, and look forward to apologizing.
November 18, 2011 3:55 pm at 3:55 pm #829023smartcookieMemberHold it Baal Habooze!
Do you KNOW that AYC is a fraud? Please calm down!
November 18, 2011 4:14 pm at 4:14 pm #829024smartcookieMemberCharlie- any teen who is on here without strict supervision is in much bigger trouble than being stalked. It means that many other areas in their lives isn’t being supervised well. So you definitely cannot babysit them here.
November 18, 2011 4:25 pm at 4:25 pm #829025BaalHaboozeParticipantDefinitely not, smartcookie. I am shocked he is being in the limelight of being ACCUSED of fraud. I won’t beleive it 100% but I am left with a very sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. That’s all.
November 18, 2011 4:41 pm at 4:41 pm #829026MiddlePathParticipantI haven’t posted here in a week, and it’s all due to this absolutely sickening thing that’s going on here. The cruelty, injustice, and embarrassment done to possibly the most wonderful poster here has literally made me sick. I actually felt ill yesterday. I couldn’t sleep last night. I was crying for ayc. I’m not joking. In my opinion, everything done to ayc in the past week is sickening. The moderator that brought all this about I think just had something personal against ayc (from a situation that happened around 2-3 weeks ago), and used his power as a mod to do what he pleased. Sick.
I can barely bring myself to post this, knowing that ayc has been blocked and can’t offer the help, encouragement, and support he/she has always given to everyone here. I think this terrible thing can never be undone. Even if ayc is unblocked, the injustice of it all is appalling. I feel that I can no longer be part of forum that has such sickening things going on.
And Jothar, while you may have good intentions, just look at what this place has become since you started your whole safety thing. It is full of posters accusing others of fraud, being someone else, and it’s full of negativity. Please stop. This used to be such a wonderful place.
I’ve rarely been more ashamed and angry in my life. And I’ve have many terrible things happen in my life. But this is for another person. That makes it even more hurtful. I am ashamed to say it, but I am much happier in the non-Jewish forums I take part in. They know how to respect each other. What a disgrace to Judaism.
November 18, 2011 4:50 pm at 4:50 pm #829027smartcookieMemberThank you MP! You couldn’t be more right.
Please don’t take it so to heart though, because hopefully AYC understands that to some extent, we posters gotta be suspicious of others.
But I agree that this was waaaay overdone. I think every single thread related to stalkers/AYC/fruad/trolls/whatever, should be closed and we start anew.
Hopefully, everybody learned their lesson to use extra caution when online, even if you’re on a frum site. Bad people can be anywhere.
Now, if only we’d stop chewing over the same topic again….
Oh, and I do miss AYC’s posts!
November 18, 2011 4:54 pm at 4:54 pm #829028taking a breakMemberMP, thank you for posting. all of your posts show you are a sensitive and exceptional person and this post is a perfect example. your post sums up my feelings exactly! the atmosphere here in the CR for the past few weeks has been one i have not seen in the time I’ve been reading and posting here in the CR. and its not one that will keep posters posting. my impression of AYC is still the same. the void left is large IMO. i always enjoyed his posts and i will miss him/her.
my suggestion? close the CR for a bit so people can take a breather from the CR, look at the whole situation from a step back and then come back free of the negativity.
November 20, 2011 9:03 am at 9:03 am #829029moi aussiMemberMiddlePath, your post could not have been written better. I’m surprised the mods allowed it, because it’s pointing the finger at them.
Smartcookie, you make a lot of sense when you say: “Btw, I was looking through AYC’s post where he writes I’m a kletzky. Looks to me like he meant to say- I am like the Kletzkys, I also had a family tragedy this summer.”
I’m wondering if the name Kletzky is the problem? If someone claimed to belong to the Twerski family would he/she also become a stalking suspect?
Smartcookie, I also agree that mods are not above making poor judgments. I will go even further by saying that mods are not above suspicion. NOBODY should be trusted, chabdehu vechashdehu applies to mods as well.
However, I will never understand what harm was done by AYC when he/she said “I am a Kletzky”. As I said earlier, if it’s true, what harm was done? If it’s a lie, who cares?
November 20, 2011 6:03 pm at 6:03 pm #829030moi aussiMemberBUMP
I would like some reaction to my post.
November 20, 2011 6:11 pm at 6:11 pm #829031smartcookieMemberMoi- I think most of us agree with you. It’s just that this discussion is becoming rather boring and posters are moving on to other topics!
November 20, 2011 6:14 pm at 6:14 pm #829032always hereParticipantI also agree.. had a problem with my comments being deleted last night :/
November 20, 2011 7:02 pm at 7:02 pm #829033ZeesKiteParticipantMP, I’m with you entirely.
smartcookie, In my humblekite I would assume that this issue is NOT AT ALL BORING to the party wronged, not at all! I assume (s)he is BURNING with a mixture of bad, sad, extremely horrible feelings. Possibly suffering physically too!
For the record, I’d like to point out, at one time the administration here blocked repeatedly one fine poster on suspicion he was The Fish. Notices and emails to counter that went unanswered. It was only after the incessant ‘badgering’ of his acquaintance IRL testifying on his behalf, did they relent. So, again, Mods can be wrong. There are many. One or two don’t spoil the whole, they may give a bad taste though.
I’m just wondering, not too long ago there was one fine poster who literally spilled her life out to us here. No commotion. Then she once made a direct reference to her identity. No problem. I happened to have her email, I pointed this out, and she had it removed. So, I’m just wondering what changed. WHY SO MUCH HYPE? Careful – yes, but all this paranoia?
This AYC was attacked, in my humblekite, just for doubting Mods (and Jothar who..). Is that right? They know (s)he’s not ‘The Fish’. What’s their point. Do they REALLY think (s)he’s dangerous? Prying? Trolling? Does the phrase “it’s a known tactic that predators use..” (I think I saw that 3 times in reference to AYC) make their claim more convincing?
Editor and Mods, I’m sorry for sounding sooo not-ZeesKite, it’s my heart writing. It’s one of the middos Mommy implanted – ??????.
November 20, 2011 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm #829034Shticky GuyParticipantI would like some reaction to my post
Moi aussi ☺.
November 20, 2011 7:27 pm at 7:27 pm #829035moi aussiMemberZeeskite, I’m impressed, you said it beautifully. Let’s see if the mods and/or Jothar can accept the views of the many posters who are not in agreement with them.
November 20, 2011 7:32 pm at 7:32 pm #829036moi aussiMemberDon’t trust the mods blindly…
November 20, 2011 7:44 pm at 7:44 pm #829037HealthParticipantmoi aussi -“MiddlePath, your post could not have been written better. I’m surprised the mods allowed it, because it’s pointing the finger at them.
Smartcookie, you make a lot of sense when you say: “Btw, I was looking through AYC’s post where he writes I’m a kletzky. Looks to me like he meant to say- I am like the Kletzkys, I also had a family tragedy this summer.”
After reading the other posts/topics about this – I have to disagree. It is quite possible that he meant this and it’s quite possible he meant to manipulate. If he would e-mail the mods explaining his posting error -I’d think at that point we would have to be Dan L’caf Zecus. Right now we aren’t required to. The safety of the individual posters are more important.
“I’m wondering if the name Kletzky is the problem? If someone claimed to belong to the Twerski family would he/she also become a stalking suspect?
Smartcookie, I also agree that mods are not above making poor judgments. I will go even further by saying that mods are not above suspicion. NOBODY should be trusted, chabdehu vechashdehu applies to mods as well.
However, I will never understand what harm was done by AYC when he/she said “I am a Kletzky”. As I said earlier, if it’s true, what harm was done? If it’s a lie, who cares?”
If none of his post is true -it clearly points to stalker. I’m not in the security field, but it seems quite simple. The whole purpose of the lie was to continue the manipulation. Con men operate by gaining other’s trust. I don’t know if he is one, but the burden of proof is on him right now to prove he isn’t one.
November 22, 2011 8:27 am at 8:27 am #829044moi aussiMemberAYC VINDICATED!!!!!!
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