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  • April 15, 2013 4:58 pm at 4:58 pm #609009
    Charles Short
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    What is a formal way to say the opposite of an ‘amen?’

    In english I would think ‘G-d forbid’ or ‘objection.’ But not sure if the Hebrew or Aramaic would translate directly.

    April 15, 2013 5:00 pm at 5:00 pm #945581
    🐵 ⌨ Gamanit
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    I guess chas v’challila….

    April 15, 2013 5:27 pm at 5:27 pm #945582
    Charles Short
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    Ok when I look this up I read something like ‘sacrilege, profanation, desecration’ which is not really what I might mean.

    If someone prays for something particular that is good for them, but bad for me; its not necessarily bad in view of haShem; but I might want to respectfully disagree …

    April 15, 2013 5:30 pm at 5:30 pm #945583
    Luna Lovegood
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    Why would you be objecting to a prayer? If you don’t like a specific prayer just don’t answer amen. Why the need to outwardly object?

    April 15, 2013 5:37 pm at 5:37 pm #945584
    🐵 ⌨ Gamanit
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    Luna Lovegood- if your a teacher and you hear the student praying that all teachers should die that they shouldn’t have finals, you might want to strongly disagree with her prayer… 🙂

    April 15, 2013 5:51 pm at 5:51 pm #945585
    Luna Lovegood
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    Gammanit -True, but I have a feeling that is not the type of prayer that was being referred to.

    CS -You can respectfully disagree by just remaining quiet. You don’t necessarily need to verbalize your objection.

    April 15, 2013 5:56 pm at 5:56 pm #945586
    Charles Short
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    For example, I go to a sporting event and someone is invited to offer a public prayer; and it makes no sense to me; but its its not like obviously chillul haShem. But I don’t want to be a party to it.

    Maybe my secular legal education regarding certain situations which require one to state an objection or consent will be implied; I don’t know if this has any grounding in Torah or not.

    Or say the student is simply praying that they don’t have to take a final; but you are intent that they do…

    Ani’ o’vey kut ?

    April 15, 2013 9:16 pm at 9:16 pm #945587
    Torah613Torah
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    I don’t think you should. I think all prayers are good. How about praying a better prayer instead of negating the prayers of others?

    April 15, 2013 9:22 pm at 9:22 pm #945588
    PBT
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    I wouldn’t participate in an event that would feature a prayer I would object to.

    April 15, 2013 10:31 pm at 10:31 pm #945589
    writersoul
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    If everyone else is saying amen, wouldn’t your NOT saying amen cover you?

    April 15, 2013 10:48 pm at 10:48 pm #945590
    Charles Short
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    Maybe its a matter of interpretation of ‘Amen’ to be like ‘So be it’ : which for a bogus prayer is kind of like a false prophecy; but I’m not clear myself but have been rethinking prayer entirely.

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