NOT TZNIUS "BUBBIES" (also some fish, honey, and vinegar)

Shprintze: The “Where-in-the-torah-does-it-say” attitude will get you nowhere. Did you expect the Torah to list every detail of untznius clothing? Do you want a malach to come and tell you exactly WHY you can’t wear pants, sleeveless dresses etc.?

IMHO, tznius is a sensitivity and a maturity. It’s when you understand what we’re doing to the men and bochrim out there.

I wish I were at that point. In the meanwhile, I’m working hard to get there.

Hatzlacha rabba.

observanteen- I do not expect to find written in the Torah “every detail of untznius clothing”. However I DO want to know if there are sources for covering knees and elbows and toes. Like you said, tznius is a sensitivity and maturity. Therefore I try not to attract attention to myself, and I do not expose 90% of my body like a non-Jew would. But I have a hard time understanding why my toes, knees and elbows must be covered.

Personally I think these guidelines were instituted as gedarim (please tell me if I am wrong) but are they as serious as gedarim on hilchos shabbos (muktzah), or are they more lenient like the gedarim between an engaged couple (only speak every other day)?

If someone would show me a source for these guidelines, I (and I think many other women) would have an easier time dressing accordingly.

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my friends call me 80

well best is to mix the honey and vinegar together

its not good for much by itself,

but if you add some oil, garlic and salt youll have a great salad dressing

I’d change the first two lines slightly, but that was really deep. Well said.

*kapusta*

Yes, covering knees (and elbows) and above is halacha. It is so sad that it is so widely violated by frum women in the streets.

i would think covering the toes is a sensitivity. i try to be cover my toes that the spaces between are covered for 2 reasons. first reason is cuz i personally want them covered and 2 if they are covered to that extent i know the shoe is not going to hit me in pressure points and the shoe holds my foot better. but i have not heard any thing saying showing one’s toes is assur

As a proud grandmother visiting her family in Ramat Beit Shemesh I am sad to hear of people being taken aback by the tznius of others in the area. Many of us support, love and nuture families there. Believe me in the big bad world there are many obstacles we have to overcome, please fixtheworld do not worry too much about grandmothers who may not fulfill your own ideals of tznius. Yes tznius is very important, I have Rabbi Falk’s book right here!!! But minhagim play a role in how we dress and so does age!! Many sections of Rabbi Falk book are of especial relevance to Gateshead, what is acceptable there is not the same as Eretz Yisrael as Rabbi Falk himself recognises. He emphasises communities have their own minhagim. I often note the younger kids and mothers are dressed tzniusdik with tremendous care and attention, great. However as an older woman our teachings and customs tend to be different, look around at any simcha or big event where extended families get together!! Some wear denim, some do not, some use headscarves to cover their hair, others stick to sheitels, all to me are klal Yisrael and loved in their entirety. Tznius is a fascinating subject but of all the obstacles in life it is one that can be dealt with by focussing on oneself and not paying too much attention to those around who we can see are seeking in their own way to tznius. Sensitivity and respect go a long way!!!

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