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I always thought Nose piercings were kinda a low class thing to do, but in the last few weeks a saw a few frum women have their noses pierces.
Is this even OK according to Halacha?
I dont know the whole idea just smells wrong.
sure why not…didnt eliezer give rivkah nose rings when they met? or is my memory a bit fuzzy…
Is this even OK according to Halacha?
It’s not inherently assur, as soliek points out, but a part of tznius is not standing out, and with our contemporary styles, I would think that it’s currently assur.
what exactly do you mean by “frum”?
There are “fake” look alike rings that are not pierced. Any frum woman that does this will soon stop. It is very painful to remove and reinsert. Many young girls who had done that before marriage quickly changed their minds when they had to remove and reinsert on a monthly basis.
I would actually love to have a small nose ring. I would pick something like a small studd diamond, barely visible. But, the community I live in and the people I am surrounded by would probably not permit it. Oh well. I guess its not going to happen 🙁
You know, I just saw a girl with a nose piercing, and I was thinking how unfrum it looked.
But really, what’s the big deal?
I mean, if a girl in flatbush did it, it would stand out. But other than that, why not?
Whenever I think of any piercings, I am reminded of the eved nirtzah, who is looked upon negatively for refusing to be set free in the Shmitta yearand therby only be an eved Hashem instead of an eved adam.
oomis- do you have your ears pierced? cuz thats where the nirtzas was. as an aside i totally think its gross.
If the frum community would let, i would totally get my nose pierced, also multiple ear rings. I think it looks pretty, especially little diamonds.. What is gross about it? Does anyone know if there is actually a halacha against it nowadays?
I think that’s the way they tie an ox!
I think it’s a very indian thing.
soliek -“sure why not…didnt eliezer give rivkah nose rings when they met? or is my memory a bit fuzzy…”
DaasYochid -“It’s not inherently assur, as soliek points out, but a part of tznius is not standing out, and with our contemporary styles, I would think that it’s currently assur.”
I disagree with the two of you! Ever hear of V’chukosayhem Lo Saylaychu? Nose rings haven’t been worn since the time of the Avos in the Frum community. (Ok, maybe not so far back, but definitely not in the recent past!)
i love coffe -“But, the community I live in and the people I am surrounded by would probably not permit it. Oh well. I guess its not going to happen”
popa_bar_abba -“You know, I just saw a girl with a nose piercing, and I was thinking how unfrum it looked.
But really, what’s the big deal?
I mean, if a girl in flatbush did it, it would stand out. But other than that, why not?”
skiaddict -“If the frum community would let, i would totally get my nose pierced, also multiple ear rings.”
Why are the three of you concerened about the outward appearance?
How about that your main concern is that whether it is Ossur from the Torah? And I’m sure it is. See above!
Health: That would not fall under Bechukoseihem.
Sam2 – Thanks for your P’sak, but I disagree! Care to share why you hold this way?
Health: You have to prove why it is Bechukoseihem. It’s not something that the Jews have avoided for hundreds (thousands?) of years due to Pritzus and it has a To’eles-it makes the girl prettier (or at least, it could in hers or other peoples’ eyes). Why would it be Bechukoseihem?
Sam2 -The same reason red shoelaces are Ossur because the GOYIM think it’s nice. I think piercings are even worse than clothing that is Ossur!
Disgusting practice, but certainly better than eyebrow, lip, and tongue piercing. Eliezer and Rivka were in the middle east where nose rings may have been common at the time.
It certainly doesn’t add anything.
Health: It’s not dependent solely on what Goyim think is nice. If it was then we wouldn’t be allowed to wear any shirts. That’s just ridiculous. It has to be for Pritzus and without a purpose to be Assur (see YD 177). This isn’t purposeless and it not inherently for Pritzus.
Whatever happens when one has a cold?
Sam2 -“It has to be for Pritzus and without a purpose to be Assur (see YD 177).”
It says “Or”, not “and” (YD 178).
“Health: It’s not dependent solely on what Goyim think is nice. If it was then we wouldn’t be allowed to wear any shirts. That’s just ridiculous. This isn’t purposeless and it not inherently for Pritzus.”
It doesn’t have to be “inherently” for Pritzus. I don’t know exactly what you mean, but where do you make this one up from? I was just using the word nice instead of Prust. Yes -it’s Prust to wear red clothes. Yes -it’s Prust to have these Mohawk and every other type of haircut. And I’m saying it’s also Prust to have body piercing. I’m not saying the biggest Chidush here. Just because the S’A doesn’t say every possible scenario that could ever happen -doesn’t mean this wouldn’t be included. Don’t Krum up the S’A! If wearing a red dress and/or having long hair is Prust and therefore Ossur, this for sure is!
First of all, the Mechaber doesn’t say that a red dress is Pritzus. You have to read the Rama more carefully than that. Secondly, you need to define Pritzus. There is nothing sexual or erotic about a nose ring. What makes it Pritzus? Because you think it is?
Hey were emulating chumash… didnt eliezer give rivkah a nose ring?? im sure she wore it 🙂
Sam2 -“Secondly, you need to define Pritzus. There is nothing sexual or erotic about a nose ring. What makes it Pritzus? Because you think it is?”
And there is nothing sexual or erotic about long hair or Mohawks, so acc. to you why is it Ossur? It’s Ossur because long hair is Prust! If you don’t know the definition of Pritzus -the S’A is Not going to define it for you!
in the mizrachi circels in isreal its accepted its amiddle eastern style which is gaining more popularity with the ashkinazik community over time
So would one say that it’s minhag hamakom if one could wear a NOSE ring?
I think that a nose ring is something to consider, but a piercing on some other part of the body is disgusting. I associate it with tattoos, and weird people…
i dont think it has to do about minhag or halacha its just that jewish people are scared of anything which they didnt grow up with its just a matter of time that it will become something acceppted
I was part of a small Goth scene when I was in high school, and many of them had nose rings and other body piercings. For them, it is simply a way to express individuality and non-conformity. Goths are usually people that have been under-appreciated, and therefore try to turn away from social norms in order to distance themselves from the main society that “discarded” them. To me, that’s what I think of when I see someone with a nose ring. Still, regardless of how I think it looks, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it, because I don’t think there’s anything wrong with expressing individuality.
a friend told me that in a reeeaaally frum high school, a teacher had 2 cover her nose ring with a bandaid. mayb cuz t’was a bad influence or s/thing…i dunno…
lemaysa -“in the mizrachi circels in isreal its accepted its amiddle eastern style which is gaining more popularity with the ashkinazik community over time”
Dream on! Frum Sefardim who came directly from their countries to E. Yisroel never had nose rings or similar.
“i dont think it has to do about minhag or halacha its just that jewish people are scared of anything which they didnt grow up with its just a matter of time that it will become something acceppted”
i love coffe -“I think that a nose ring is something to consider, but a piercing on some other part of the body is disgusting. I associate it with tattoos, and weird people…”
MiddlePath -“I was part of a small Goth scene when I was in high school, and many of them had nose rings and other body piercings. For them, it is simply a way to express individuality and non-conformity. Goths are usually people that have been under-appreciated, and therefore try to turn away from social norms in order to distance themselves from the main society that “discarded” them. To me, that’s what I think of when I see someone with a nose ring. Still, regardless of how I think it looks, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it, because I don’t think there’s anything wrong with expressing individuality.”
These all are your opinions based on your “feelings”. Whether you feel this is nice or PC or popular or the style or whatever, I’m almost positive this is Ossur acc. to the Torah based on what I posted above! And it doesn’t matter whether you’re a Sefardi or Askenazi – it’s still Ossur!
Anyone here dare to ask a Rav and post what he said?
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Health i would beg to differ in the neighbor hood i live in yerushalayim theres plenty of first and second geraration olim from all over the middle east that have nose peircings secondly nose peircings have always been worn in the midddle east for thousands of years i doubt anyone stopped it wasnt the style in eroupe just like many other dress diffrences there are from diffrent sections of the world…where is the line were you say thats goyish are you going to include earings bangels….do you expect or belive the yiddishkiet wants people to dress like nuns…..
Health, prust is not a halochic term. For chukos ha’goyim issur, it has to be pritsusdic. Red clothing causes reactions in men. If something is done by the non-Jews as a rule for no reason or for avoda zora reason, it is also chukos ha’goyim. Not everything someone does not like or not used to is chukos ha’goyim.
Halachically, 100% permitted.
Socially, if you like it and can get away with it, do it. If you can’t, don’t.
I asked a rabbi and was told mutar. I was also told that belly piercing was assur unless I was married.
Practical issue: How does anybody wearing nose rings deal with a common cold, or just blowing their nose. Don’t nose rings make it hurt just a bit more, and harder to clear out the congestion?
lemaysa -“Health i would beg to differ in the neighbor hood i live in yerushalayim theres plenty of first and second geraration olim from all over the middle east that have nose peircings secondly nose peircings have always been worn in the midddle east for thousands of years”
How about asking the first generation if that’s what has been done for umpteen years? Did her mother put it on her or she did it herself?
mdd -“Health, prust is not a halochic term. For chukos ha’goyim issur, it has to be pritsusdic. Red clothing causes reactions in men.”
To me something that is Prust is Pritzusdick! Even long hair and weird haircuts is Ossur from the S’A -this is even worse!
old man -“Halachically, 100% permitted.”
And what do you do with -“V’chukosayhem Lo Saylaychu”?
Health,
You can’y assert that a nose ring is inherently pritzus if the Imahos wore them.
Muttar or not, if your wife / daughter comes home with anything other than her earlobe pierced, you have mucho reason for concern.
That this is even a topic of discussion in the CR is troubling.
mdd red is bad cos its an arrogant colour, shows gaava.
mdd red is bad cos its an arrogant colour, shows gaava.
“because the GOYIM think it’s nice.”
They also think Brooks Brothers shirts are nice. They think BMWs are nice. They think sushi is nice.
I’ll add one more thought, to put the concept of piercing in perspective:
A few years back, R’Amnon Yitzchok had a crown for a sefer torah fashioned from asst piercing jewelery that chozrim b’teshuva handed over when they were ready to begin road back to observant Yiddishkeit.
He asked for these to be handed over, as he saw this as the first step in putting a distance between the street culture and ours. By doing so, the person made a clear and unequivocal statement of who’s team he was now on.
So I ask you, if you see a bas yisroel with a piercing thru anything other than her earlobe, what do you think she is trying to tell you?
what Prust means?
The word “Promiscuous” is essentially it. Might be a bit harsh, but the goal of the person is one and the same.
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