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i Dont Know what Im going to do without Music!!! Help!! anyone else fell this way??
nope…not yet!!! i’m holding first half sefirah but my brothers play instruments for money so they’re allowed to play so they don’t get worse at it 😉 i just happen to share a wall with them so i get to hear music!!!! ha gumball!!! i soooooo don’t feel 4 you…
I feel 100% the same way! 🙁
Btw, what’s the sitch with acapella- why do some people say it’s ok?
Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach permitted classical music during sefira. My rav agrees.
The only music I’m permitted to listen to is my own. I think everyone else can also listen (not suggested).
Your rov picks and chooses the psakim he likes from various poskim.
He would listen to nothing else that Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach would have to say about many other things.
i dont agree with anyone. stop finding the loopholes! r u jewish? G-d commanded something and all wedo is try to get out of it! the POINT is NOTTO LISTEN TO MUSIC! not “how do i get around it?”is it such a big sacrifice? ppl gave up their livesfor hashem!
I feel the same. Music is my boost for the day:( (Mom’s glad her eardrums won’t pop during those weeks;))
Well..Guess we’ll have to survive, just like we just did without chametz for eight whole days.
its gonna be so hard 🙁 .. i heard because acupella doesnt make u As happy s regular music.
My brother playz drums!!!! it kills my ears!!!! thats the only good part!!!
Listening is not always a loophole…some poskim allow it for those who are ill physically or depressed, who in all likelihood would trade anything not to be in that position….
I’ve always got a tune playing in my head. Haven’t figured out how to shut it off yet…
@brotherofurs-
But imho, in todays day and age, you cant even tell the diff between accapella and general music anymore…
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with having a tune in your head! Ivdu es Hashem b’simcha! Even in Av, we are mamatim b’simcha, we lessen the simcha, but there is still simcha!
huydo lashem: since when do piskei halocho that are lekuloh a ‘loophole”? If you are allowed to listen to certain music, then it is the halocho. You are welcome to have your minhag-allow others their minhag. BTW- this is not a de’oraisai- not even a de’rabbonon- it is a minhag hageonim.
what id like to know is what makes acapella music “kosher” during sefira? it doesnt sound at all different from regular music….
What makes music “kosher” all year except at a chassuna? We are supposed to refrain from it zecher lichurban.
Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach permitted classical music during sefira.
R’ Shlomo Zalman’s opinion is recorded in Halichos Shlomo, Moadim, 11th perek, 14. See however, Orchos Halacha 54, which clarifies that this heter should only be utilized in case of need.
The overall approach of R’ Shlomo Zalman zt”l seems to be that what determines whether music is permissible during sefirah is not whether it is instumental or vocal, but rather, the type of mood attached to it. Any music, even vocal, would seem to be prohibited if it’s the type associated with dancing. (I hope this answers StuffedCabbage’s question.)
Your rov picks and chooses the psakim he likes from various poskim.
He would listen to nothing else that Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach would have to say about many other things.
Do you know his rav and all of his psakim to make such a negative comment?
R’ Shlomo Zalman’s opinion is recorded in Halichos Shlomo, Moadim, 11th perek, 14.
D’var Halachah 22
Many years ago, one of my husband’s Rebbeim told him that rock n’roll wasn’t really music, so he could listen to it. Hey folks, chill, the Rebbe was joking with him.
Music is something I truly love, so it’s difficult giving it up. I’ll be resynching my Ipod, taking off the music and putting on more shiurim.
this is where being the sibling of a special brother comes in handy…. he gets to listen…..
Unfortunately, I haven’t been listening since Succos because I am in aveilus, so just imagine how hard it is for me. Three weeks isn’t that bad you guys. You can handle it. If not, get an accapela cd.
Rav Moshe permitted any type of music in spite of the ban after the Churban since we need it in today’s times because of our nervousness, like a r’fuah. Perhaps the same heter applies for s’fira.
check out sh”a: refraining from music during a seuda (that’s not a seudas mitzvah) is zecher l’churban. Kol hamosif gorea
ayc- i think the same goes for listening to music while falling asleep
Huydu La Hashem:: WOW!!!! you really gave me the mussaar I needed to hear! I was looking for sefira tapes on line to hear at work. Now I guess you gave me the courage to wait it out!! Tizku Lemitzvos!!
Aries i am sorry to hear about your loss you have my deepest sympathies
Rav Moshe permitted any type of music in spite of the ban after the Churban since we need it in today’s times because of our nervousness, like a r’fuah. Perhaps the same heter applies for s’fira.
Do you have a source for that?
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Lefi Rav Moshe, Concerts should not be attended either. Also, Rav Moshe (here) is discussing live music, not taped. IIRC, there is an opinion that a tape/CD/MP3 has a din of a Klei Zemer, and should not be used even for vocal music.
P.S. The issur brought in Mishna Berura is specificly Rikud (dancing) and music that would lead to it (493:3), which seems to back the opinion of RSZA. (And yes, the Chofetz Chaim had “classical” concerts during his day as well)
what’s the deal with Chaim Berliners? do they listen to music during sefira?
Also, Rav Moshe (here) is discussing live music, not taped.
The words you quoted from R’ Moshe were badly botched up by OCR. The actual words, “??”? ????? ?? ???? ???? ????? ???? ??? ???? ??? ????” would imply that recorded instrumental music is ????. (I’m assuming that the radio he refers to was playing recorded music, or that even if it was live, being heard over the radio would have the same ??? as recorded music.
Daas Yochid – I heard Rav Moshe’s heter of music in general from my Rav many times. A number of g’dolim listened to classical music and even opera. “Perhaps the same heter applies for s’fira” is my shaila, which is a tzoruch iyun.
cherrybim,
The source I quoted has R’ Moshe being machmir on music during the year, but acknowledging that there are those who are meikil. He states clearly, though, that it’s assur during sefirah, so I’m not sure why it would be a tzorich iyun.
If you could please do me a favor, ask your rav if R’ Moshe’s heter because of nervousness is written in a teshuvah or something heard al peh. (I’m not asking you to question the veracity of what your rav said, c”v, but it’s easier to apply the heter to a specific situation if one could see the wording.)
The thing with accapella..some accapelas sound lk real music so lk were supposed 2 be sad that rabbi akivas students were niftar. Why are we listening 2 something that sounds lk real music??
I’ve seen the opinion of one prominent posek that if the vocals are digitally manipulated to sound different than a human voice, it has, in fact, the status of instrumental music.
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