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November 7, 2024 10:00 am at 10:00 am #2330527Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
Gadol > We should greet them with open arms and encourage them to return.
Indeed, and tzadikim do that. I once stayed for shabbos with a talmid of Bobover Rebbe on the way to a math conference. Bobover Rebbe was met by a line of chassidim in shtreimels, but he quickly made a detour to shake my hand despite, or because of, my modernishe garb.
November 7, 2024 1:07 pm at 1:07 pm #2330731DaMosheParticipantThe V’yalipoler Rav, R’ Frankel, has a son who has a shul in Brooklyn. I had relatives who lived nearby the shul, so I davened there quite a few times.
One Shabbos, the gabbai (who was a friend of my relative) asked me to daven Kabbalas Shabbos for the amud, and I did so. R’ Frankel gave me a heart yasher koach when davening finished.
The next time I visited, there was a change in the shul – the gabbai wasn’t davening there anymore, and there was a new gabbai. He came over to me, and said, “The Rav specifically asked that you go daven for the amud!” This occurred many more times – he had no problem asking me, without a black hat, wearing a colored knit kippah, to daven for the amud.November 10, 2024 12:06 pm at 12:06 pm #2330911Neville Chaimberlin Lo MesParticipant“Gadol > We should greet them with open arms and encourage them to return.
Indeed, and tzadikim do that.”I see your switching to the more popular moderate position in hopes that nobody notices? On the first page of this, nobody was initially saying that the non-hat crowd needs to be embraced so that they will become more frum and start wearing hats/jackets. Your contention–shared with others here–was that there is no inyan of davening in a hat and jacket at all as if you suggest that these people (including the “tzadikkim” you now refer to) are just wasting their time doing it for no reason.
November 13, 2024 2:10 pm at 2:10 pm #2332374@fakenewsParticipantFor a little perspective as someone who occasionally davens here.
After a while of this shul being a minyan factory for a while, there were a number of factors that lead the leadership of the shul to try to take it down a notch from being the local minyan factory.
To that end they made a number of changes to make it uncomfortable for such use.
For example, they stopped allowing the E”N from being used for minyanim, limited the frequency of minyanim to the point where they still have more minyanim than most shuls, but hobby shop is probably a better description than factory.
These signs were incorporated along with the other policies, but I’ve personally never seen it enforced.
But ultimately if you want to be insulted by an internal policy within a chasidishe community, in sure you can fill a book with all the things you dislike.
Please follow your mesorah/derech and allow others to do the same within their own lanes. -
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