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Today is Nittle Nacht, do you observe it? do you observe the Russisher Nittle nacht?
We observe Jan 6 as the calendar was modified by Pope Gregory in 1582.
How could a day be nacht?
We’re machmir and observe both dates.
There is a joke, how come that this night the goyim celebrate the night before and Purim we make the sudah towards the night after? They celebrate after a Jew and we celebrate after a goy.
What if nittel falls on a Shabbos?
This year, I am fasting on nittel day, even erev shabbos.
Pope Gregory eliminated ten days and years divided by a hundred became only leap years if they can also be divided by four hundred. Now at 1582, 1600 and 2000 did not change but it changed 1700, 1800 and 1900 making a thirteen day difference, so December 25 inclusive becomes January 6.
Shabbos is exempt as the kedusha overtakes the tumah. Some say, people used to learn in shul and it was a danger to go out and learn on this night.
Reb Eliezer: After 2100 it will change to January 5.
RE, a good point.
If the reason is danger, then having books and computers at home should exempt one from observing N.N. Or is it minhag avoteinu that overrides a Torah mitzva?If the reason is mystical, why don’t we follow Jewish calendar instead of following Julius Ceasar, Pope Gregory,
Which groups do NN and which do not and when? Maybe we can reconstruct tradition from geo/social distribution?
Really? I never heard that…
It will be relevant next year, as nittel will indeed be on Shabbos.ujm, would it not be January 7, 14 days difference? For a goyishe celebration why use the jewish calendar?
It’s not about the Goyishe celebration. It’s about Tekufas Teves. Once upon a time it happened to fall on December 25th which is still celebrated by most Xtians to this day even after the calendar was corrected.
“For a goyishe celebration why use the jewish calendar?”
We use a goyish calendar — and an inaccurate one at that — to determine when to start saying “tein tal umatar”.
We’re not using the Goyishe calendar. In chutz la’aretz v’sein tal umatar is said beginning 60 days after Tekufas Tishrei. The Tekufos follow the solar calendar.
Charlie, Pekak, thanks for the answers!
more questions:
– do we do 2 days of nitl nacht in golus?– how to do nitl nacht for those who do not have mitzva of Torah learning (women, children, mutes), or do not (apikoiri and ignorami)
It depends if nittel is a nidcha.
” making a thirteen day difference, so December 25 inclusive becomes January 6″
The Orthodox church celebrates January 7th the 13 days are added Dec 25 + 13 = Jan 7
” After 2100 it will change to January 5.”
It will change to January 8. 2100 Will not be a leap year on the Gregorian Calendar it will be on the Julian Calendar. so that Gregorian year will be 365 days long that Julian year wil be 366 days long. This will make the difference between the 2 observances 1 day greater, not less.
Lehavdil ad lanetzach, The difference between the Gregorian date and 60 days after the Tekufas tishrei as calculated by Shmuel (which h corresponds tho the Julian Calendar) will also grow by 1 day causing vesen tal umatar to be recited on Dec 5/6 instead of the current 4/5
(there are some groups Amish, Mennonite that celebrate Jan 6, but as these groups were not existent “in di heim” nobody that I am aware of keeps nittel based on their date)“It’s not about the Goyishe celebration. It’s about Tekufas Teves.”
I have never heard any source tying the Tekufa to Nittel. Some observe nittel Dec 25, Others Jan 7. Tekufas Teves according to Shmuel is Jan 6 , based on Rav Adda it is Dec 26
charlie
By us they keep it the night towards Jan 6 little kratzmich.
Reb Eliezer: In America the goyim keep it on December 25, not January 6.
Look up the Jewish Journal. People from Adas Yereim follow their customs and don’t care for America, the am reik even among goyim. There is something called epiphany.
Reb Eliezer: Ada’s Yereim is Vien. Vienna, Austria is Catholic. They also use December 25.
What is the Jewish Journal?
after 2100 it will be january 07, but there would not be nittel anymore because moshiach will most probably already be here
johnklets, the seforim hakedoshim say that after Moshiach comes Klal Yisroel will stop celebrating yomim tovim d’oraysa, like Pesach. But the occasions instituted by the rabbonim will continue even after Moshiach. As such, l’choira nittel nacht will continue to be observed.
ujm, google ‘when is nittel’ and you will see the Jewish Journal, A Brief History of Nittel Nacht, indicating Jan 6 which would make it inclusive. Nittel is not instituted by rabbonim but a custom. Some say that it was dangerous to go to shul to learn. The sefardim don’t keep it as their goyim are mainly muslems.
Chafetz chaim says he will take any aveiros on his chesbon, we shouldnt not learn Torah..
So nittel should be Tuesday night, the night to the 6th of January.
Reb Eliezer, are you trying to hint that we’re doing nittel on January 6 due to the churban we’re expecting that day in Congress??
Reb Eliezer, what are you doing this Nittel?
you see, last year – some Yidden did not learn for a day, and the world almost fell apart, windows broken, senators in danger, and a brandon was certified President. Tells you to take your learning seriously.
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